Off the top of my head …
Getting a job.
Cashing a check.
Writing a check at the store.
Using a credit card in person.
Applying for a payday loan.
Applying for credit.
Opening a bank account.
Cashing food stamps (maybe? I don’t know.)
Entering your child’s school (if a security procedure)
Voter ID laws that are permissive in their allowance of what constitutes identification such as utility bill, library card, college ID, voters card, etc. are acceptable. The problem is when the state makes acceptable ID very limited and onerous to get. So again it is not the Voter ID law in principle that is the issue but rather how it is implemented.
I think the fundamental difference we have is you see as the issue that people are not “allowed” to vote do to a lack of ID and I see the problem that so many people don’t have photo ID. I believe our solutions also differ as you would repeal voter ID laws while I would actively give people the photo ID that incidentally would permit them to vote.
Yet it is the state level that has all of the systems in place. The Federal government could issue passports but that seems a little overkill for what you want to do. I think the middle ground that is probably most likely (for good or bad) would be a Federal law requiring states to ensure everyone had ID. Just think, if you limited it to supplying just citizens with ID then the Pubs are happy and the Dems are happy because only citizens can vote anyways right? On a more serious note, the right to adequate identification in this day should be recognized. And remember the social welfare is only to those that need help. That minimizes the cost but if you make a certain amount of money and choose not to have photo ID then that’s your choice.
I’m not hung up on it. I simply gave it as one of many things that is commonly done that require photo ID. Hell, I don’t write checks at the grocery store but many people do and that requires photo ID so it goes on the list.
That’s exactly what I said. I said that you show up, say you’re a citizen, show no ID and you can register and actually voting is more difficult. I know this will start another debate but there’s something fundamentally wrong in a system where you don’t have to prove eligibility to vote. Like I said earlier, if all 11 million illegal immigrants decided to register tomorrow, there is nothing to stop them but if you left your wallet at home you don’t get to vote. That seems almost the reverse of how it should work.
To the first point, that’s simply not true. I feel it is the responsibility of our state officials (most likely carried out by the county officials) whether Red, Blue, Green or Lavender. It’s not a party issue for me, it’s a social welfare issue for me and asking the question of “How can people take advantage of opportunity (that’s old-school Republicanism) if they don’t have the basic tools needed (like ID and a quality K-12 education).”
And yes some states have abused the Voter ID laws to disenfranchise opposition voters just like some states have abused eminent domain laws to seize private property and some states have abused abortion laws to oppress women. The difference between us is at heart Voter ID is a good law but it needs to be implemented in a way that works. You side just wants to get rid of the law which I think is a mistake. Do you want me to say Pennsylvania should get rid of the Voter ID law? I’m not going to but if you want me to say that Pennsylvania should make it easier for voters to have valid ID at the polls then WTF have you been reading since I seem to be the only person in this thread espousing the view.
Oh and if you ever visit Northern Colorado we should discuss this over a couple of beers. 
