# What Effect Will Trump's Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738 "2019-06-19T12:15:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/221 "2019-06-21T20:09:33Z")
NM, re read ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/222 "2019-06-21T20:11:14Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Right, but I am speaking to your specific comment that “There doesn’t seem to be any way to build a facility that doesn’t fall under the definition of “concentration camp” that you guys are using.” I’m saying, it’s not just the facilities, it’s how they’re being used. No matter how nice the facilities, shouldn’t there be a point where you think “why are we holding all these people in jail?” So you’re fine with release with a court date but how not fine are you with holding asylum seekers in jail? I don’t think we \*\*should \*\*hold asylum seekers in jail. I’ve never thought that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/223 "2019-06-21T20:21:10Z")
Right, the reason I retracted that is because I hadn’t noticed that you expect asylum seekers to wait on the Mexico side. So you’re just abdicating responsibility. No, we shouldn’t hold them; that’s Mexico’s problem. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/224 "2019-06-21T20:27:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Right, the reason I retracted that is because I hadn’t noticed that you expect asylum seekers to wait on the Mexico side. So you’re just abdicating responsibility. No, we shouldn’t hold them; that’s Mexico’s problem. Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the US had a responsibility to take care of people seeking asylum. Is that common? When someone overseas requests asylum, do we immediately fly them over to the US and take care of them? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/225 "2019-06-21T20:36:46Z")
> [@XT](#): > > It’s not about making me feel better. Know what I want? For someone to actually do something, instead of playing word games. The grain of truth to the claim you made about the democrats is, well, exactly what I quoted in that Vox article: the words we use _matter_. They matter for how the debate plays out. They matter for how people see these camps. They matter for whether people consider them worth paying attention to to begin with. Hell, they matter for getting the democrats to pay attention, because, as I keep pointing out, a lot of them just aren’t paying attention. Warren is - although to my knowledge she hasn’t called them concentration camps, I’d be remiss to discount her consistent activism on this issue. AOC is. Beyond them… A short, somewhat angry detour, if you would. [spoiler]There really aren’t that many cases where “do the right thing” and “take partisan advantage of a crisis” are synonymous. “My opponents are doing something truly heinous with the explicit stated purpose of making people suffer” is _one of those times_. With that in mind, what even the fuck is Nancy Pelosi thinking? No, seriously, [what even the fuck](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-warns-democrats-that-republicans-can-exploit-their-words-as-controversy-continues-over-ocasio-cortezs-concentration-camp-comments/2019/06/19/368dcc1c-929e-11e9-aadb-74e6b2b46f6a_story.html?utm_term=.20bcceec354f)? In terms of game theory, it’s a terrible idea - Republicans are going to play the “dems are overreacting” card no matter what (and, indeed, no matter how right democrats turn out to be). In terms of actual policy, it’s disgusting and insulting. So yes, I’m a little disappointed with most of the democrats in congress, in the same way a car one drops into the grand canyon is “a little scratched-up”. [/spoiler] The fact that historians are coming out and saying, “Yes, these are concentration camps, yes, we know about the comparison to Hitler, yes, we’re going to say it anyways” should make us very, very worried. It _should_ be enough to shake things awake. Here’s a short list of things that we shouldn’t worry about: [ul] [li] **Republicans calling us hysterical**. As said in my little detour: they’re gonna do that no matter what. Hell, a frequent pattern is that the left says, “Trump is going to do this bad thing for reasons X, Y, and Z”, the right says, “Pfft, hysterical liberals, at it again,” and then Trump, like clockwork, does the bad thing. (At which point republicans then say, “It’s not really the bad thing you predicted, it’s something different, you’re still being hysterical.”) Republicans constantly and consistently scream about “Trump Derangement Syndrome” as a catchall defense for literally any claim the left makes, and even if they didn’t, it would be a bad reason for us to hold back when the facts are on our side. [/li] [li] **Seeming pedantic**. The accusation of pedantry is _transparently_ bullshit here. You all have seen it throughout the thread - “Why are you so insistent on calling them concentration camps” is easily countered by pointing out any given bit of the material conditions on the ground and asking, “What would you have us call them, and why are you trying to minimize this?” This is not a losing argument. The words we use matter. “transitory detention camps” makes it sound like the administration is keeping a bunch of immigrants in temporary holding cells (implied here: safe, sanitary conditions) while they’re processed. “concentration camp” makes it sound like people crammed in wall to wall in unsafe, unsanitary conditions, dying of medical neglect, with no expectation of due process or Habeus Corpus. _That matters_, because the latter is a hell of a lot closer to the truth than the former, and people instinctively grok that.[/li] [li] **“They’re not concentration camps though”**. They are. Barring some wave of historians coming forward and saying, “no, that’s not appropriate”, there really is very close to a unified front among the relevant experts: what we have here are concentration camps. They are not yet extermination camps, and hopefully it will never come to that. [/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/226 "2019-06-21T20:36:58Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the US had a responsibility to take care of people seeking asylum. Is that common? When someone overseas requests asylum, do we immediately fly them over to the US and take care of them? If someone from Belarus flew into New York and claimed asylum, what do you think would happen? Do you think he’d be given paperwork and put on the next plane back? Do you think he would be put in a holding area until his asylum status came through? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/227 "2019-06-21T20:41:54Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the US had a responsibility to take care of people seeking asylum. Is that common? When someone overseas requests asylum, do we immediately fly them over to the US and take care of them? By that argument why should Mexico be responsible for them? Most of these people aren’t from Mexico, they’re from other countries and just passing through Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/228 "2019-06-21T20:57:28Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Why yes, it is more important to use the correct terms to discuss human rights abuses, because euphemistic language is one of the key tools used by those who would abuse others to mask the depths of the harm being done, thank you for grasping the gist of what the historian I quoted said, **octopus**. Not sure why you find it funny. That’s explicitly not me asking for an explanation, mind you, I think we just find very different things funny. I like Bo Burnham, you like kids in cages, nothing wrong with that. > > Let’s not let them [control the conversation](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwiI4-_t7_riAhWEJlAKHTyNAWoQwqsBMAZ6BAgJEAU&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov). Accurately describing the abuses in question are “humpty-dumptyism” to him. What more need be said? Instead of being outraged at states, cities, and nutty politicians encouraging this flood of immigration with endorsement of de facto open border policies you all are outraged at the admittedly rough response. What did you think would happen when the numbers got very large? Permanent demographic change or a backlash? Well the west is providing a backlash. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/229 "2019-06-21T20:59:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Instead of being outraged at states, cities, and nutty politicians encouraging this flood of immigration with endorsement of de facto open border policies you all are outraged at the admittedly rough response. What did you think would happen when the numbers got very large? Permanent demographic change or a backlash? Well the west is providing a backlash. Anyone else hearing an exasperated Oliver Hardy saying “_Now_ look what you made me do!”? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/230 "2019-06-21T22:33:19Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > By that argument why should Mexico be responsible for them? Most of these people aren’t from Mexico, they’re from other countries and just passing through Mexico. Luckily, I never said Mexico should be responsible for them. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/231 "2019-06-21T22:37:13Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If someone from Belarus flew into New York and claimed asylum, what do you think would happen? Do you think he’d be given paperwork and put on the next plane back? Do you think he would be put in a holding area until his asylum status came through? If they are flying into New York from Belarus, they already have a visa to be in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/232 "2019-06-21T22:42:07Z")
Actually, people DO manage to stow away on airplanes even in this day and age of security theater. So no, not always. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/233 "2019-06-21T22:44:00Z")
> [@XT](#): > > The, um, international linguistic experts have been weighing in on this as an exact definition of ‘Concentration Camps’? 😛 Just for shits and giggles, I looked up the definition: …that isn’t \*\*the \*\*definition. Its **a** definition. There are plenty of others. And that definition absolutely fits what is happening in the camps. “a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, **sometimes** to provide forced labor or to await mass execution. The term is most **strongly associated** with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe in 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.” I’ve bolded the qualifiers it appears that you missed. “Forced labor” or “mass executions” are not explicit parts of the definition. And while it is “strongly associated” with Nazi Germany, it isn’t an essential part of the definition. So what we are left with is: “a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners **or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities** ” How does that definition not explicitly cover what is happening in the camps? > [@](#): > > Yeah, your experts really need to work on this. I’m looking over several definitions of the term and, you know, none of they really fit. The one that you cited absolutely fits. It isn’t the experts that need to work on this. > [@](#): > > All of them mention the basic points above. All of the ones that I looked at have exactly the same qualifiers as the definition you cited. > [@](#): > > So…yeah, it’s political. There aren’t any people " who are qualified to speak on the matter have been calling them concentration camps" because that isn’t even a thing. LOL. This thread has cited holocaust experts and Japanese-Americans who were interned by the American government who have been saying that yes, “this is a thing.” This isn’t political. Only one politician has spoken out on this. > [@](#): > > Sure it is, chief. I’m glad you agree. > [@](#): > > He…heheheh…BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA! Seriously? You thought I was using an exact term? Perhaps you thought I got that from the counter linguistic group to the experts you think are weighing in on this saying these are definitely Concentration Camps? 😛 Good grief. Yeah man…I made that up. I took a real thing (i.e. detention camps’) and put ‘transitory’ in front of it because, you know, they ARE transitory. We aren’t putting these people in these camps on a permanent basis…kind of what makes them NOT Concentration Camps (well, one of a host of things). Yes it matters. Because like it or not you are guilty of the “linguistic trick” that you are claiming the people using concentration camp are guilty of. Calling them “transitory detention camps” is exactly the same thing as China rebranding Muslim concentration camps as either “re-education camps” or “transformation camps”. And Chinese authorities use exactly the same justification as you do. They literally are “re-educating people.” They are “transforming people.” Just like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c). The Chinese authorities aren’t putting people in the camps on a permanent basis. They even let them go home once a week. Its deliberate spin to make the camps sound “not so bad.” Its propaganda. Its Orwellian. > [@](#): > > They are there merely until we can ship them back to their home countries. I seem to recall the average is around 90 days. What you recall is irrelevant. And what you recall is pretty meaningless. It may well have been 90 days many years ago. But the system **right now** is so utterly broken that they were separating parent and child with no system in place to put them together again after the “process” was over. I don’t trust the system, and neither should you. > [@](#): > > Well, what exactly are you asking me to cite here? I didn’t say the conditions were good or that families weren’t being ‘seperated’(sic) or that the process for seeking asylum had bee changed. **You made all that up** , so I don’t feel compelled to defend any of that horseshit. Asking you questions is not “making all that up.” You asserted: “See, folks go into them…and get processed pretty much as quickly as they can and sent back where they came from. And then, in many cases, try to come back again, and are detained again.” My questions were: “Are you just regurgitating government propaganda or can you back any of this up? How quickly are they being processed, and what are the conditions they are being held in? Are families still being seperated? Has the process to seek asylum changed?” How quickly they are processed and the conditions they are being held in are absolutely relevant to your assertion. Here’s a story about a professor who accidentally stumbled across [“migrants who said they’d been held outdoors for weeks as temperatures rose to nearly 100 degrees.”](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/border-patrol-outdoor-detention-migrants-el-paso/) “They told me they’ve been incarcerated outside for a month, that they haven’t washed or been able to change the clothes they were detained in the entire time, and that they’re being poorly fed and treated in general.” When you say they are “processed quickly”: is it still “quick” if they are being held in an outdoor pen for 30 days without the ability to have a wash or change their clothes? Is this the process you were thinking of or maybe the process has changed and you just didn’t know it? My questions were absolutely fucking relevant to what you asserted. > [@](#): > > Are you what you quoted there was that there have been repeat people caught (i.e. they were caught, sent back, and caught trying again). Do you want me to cite that? I’m happy to though you can easily google that yourself, and you can even use not government sources if you like. It would be actually great if you could cite exactly what is going on at the borders right now. But you won’t be able too. Because despite your assertions we really don’t know what is happening. We don’t know where all the camps are. We only see what is happening in the camps in carefully orchestrated visits and even those visits reveal [horror stories.](https://www.apnews.com/46da2dbe04f54adbb875cfbc06bbc615) So yes, please, cite away. > [@](#): > > I read the cites. I’m unconvinced, especially since most of the ones I’ve seen have a pretty obvious political ax to grind. Which ones in particular? > [@](#): > > It is, I concede debatable. But I think it’s wrong to go there. It detracts from actual concentration camps in the past and dilutes the meaning…and, really, as I’ve said, it’s more about scoring points than anything. One could talk about the horrible conditions in the detention camps on the border without using the deliberately charged language. People have been FUCKING SCREAMING about the horrible conditions in the detention camps on the border for the last fucking year. Nobody was fucking listening to them. Nothing has changed in the border camps this week. The only thing that changed this week was the language used to describe them. > [@](#): > > Also, I don’t see AOC or anyone else actually doing squat about it. AOC has done more to bring attention to the issue than anyone else on the Dems side. In a single tweet she bought this issue back into the limelight. > [@](#): > > I did a quick search, and I don’t see any large appropriations being requested to alleviate the issue. Money isn’t needed to fix the problem. > [@](#): > > Basically, the issue isn’t that the US is evil, Let me stop you right there. Stephen Miller is fucking evil. He’s a white supremacist who hates brown and black people and almost everything that is happening right now can be laid directly at his feet. > [@](#): > > it’s that there have been a flood of refugees from central America (not Mexico) that have overwhelmed the system. Holy fuck. Do you actually believe this? There was a system in place to “deal with the flood.” It was imperfect. Executive orders in 2017 changed everything. Incarcerations went up. John Kelly was directed to stop “catch and release.” New detention centers were built. This wasn’t an accident. This was deliberate. > [@](#): > > We literally are having logistics issues feeding, housing and processing so many people trying to flood into the US. Money, facilities, personnel need to be expanded…rapidly. Show me someone doing that and focused on that, instead of focused on fucking work games and scoring who is the Nazi points and I’ll take things more seriously. [Border crossings are at a record low.](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-crossings-at-record-lows.html) " Illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border are at their lowest levels in nearly 50 years." You don’t need more facilities. You simply need to revert to what was being done before the Trump administration changed everything. This is a manufactured crisis. The cruelty is the point. > [@](#): > > No chief, I won’t. For one thing, it’s clear you haven’t got a fucking clue WHERE I stand on this. Just reading your post is bemusing to me as you have no idea. I actually do have an idea. But you’ve made it clear you don’t have a fucking clue how much things have changed over the last couple of years, so I can only suggest you start paying closer attention. > [@](#): > > For another, no one is covering themselves with glory here. The Dems in the obvious attempt to play with words and score points aren’t…they are, IMHO, hurting the cause and worsening the situation, not helping. > > The Pubs, of course, are fucking clueless idiots and aren’t doing shit about it. And, so, nothing is being done on the scale it needs to. Both sides are fucking up…as usual. Here’s the actual real problem. [The boiling frog.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#As_metaphor) The America you think you are living in and the America you are actually living in right now are two different things. I implore you to look more closely at what is going on at the borders. Because what you imagine is going on and what is actually going on are completely different things. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/234 "2019-06-21T22:47:12Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Actually, people DO manage to stow away on airplanes even in this day and age of security theater. So no, not always. Ok. If someone stows away on an airplane and makes it to the US, I concede that we should take care of that person until his/her application is approved or denied. We should provide that person with $5000 a month in tax-free income during that period. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/235 "2019-06-21T22:49:54Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Strange, since I pulled that definition from the link that **iiandyiiii** provided in post #91. …that wasn’t a “definition.” That was a discussion on wiki on how "the term “concentration camp” today is sometimes conflated with the concept of “extermination camp” . Congrats on completely missing the point of what was on the link. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/236 "2019-06-21T22:52:49Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Money isn’t needed to fix the problem. What do you mean by this? Of course money is needed. Can’t get toiletries, food, and additional space without money. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/237 "2019-06-21T22:54:08Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …that wasn’t a “definition.” That was a discussion on wiki on how "the term “concentration camp” today is sometimes conflated with the concept of “extermination camp” No it wasn’t. Perhaps you should read it again? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/238 "2019-06-21T23:12:45Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What do you mean by this? Of course money is needed. Can’t get toiletries, food, and additional space without money. …of course money is needed. But money won’t fix the problem. The current administration argued in court that [“shorter-term immigration detention did not require soap or toothbrushes.”](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48710432) Money won’t provide something the administration asserts that it doesn’t need to provide. > [@](#): > > No it wasn’t. Perhaps you should read it again? Perhaps you should read it again? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/239 "2019-06-21T23:16:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …of course money is needed. But money won’t fix the problem. The current administration argued in court that [“shorter-term immigration detention did not require soap or toothbrushes.”](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48710432) Money won’t provide something the administration asserts that it doesn’t need to provide Then, in your opinion, what WILL fix the problem? What concrete, measurable actions do you think can be taken in order to fix the problem? Actions that don’t require money. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/240 "2019-06-21T23:37:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If they are flying into New York from Belarus, they already have a visa to be in the US. You don’tseem to realize that numerous countries don’t require a visa to visit the United States. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=13)