# What Effect Will Trump's Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738 "2019-06-19T12:15:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/21 "2019-06-19T14:09:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Concentration camps is a better descriptor for people, not convicted of any crimes, who are rounded up and locked into substandard facilities because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. But they weren’t just “at the wrong place at the wrong time”. They deliberately, of their own free will, WENT to that place at that specific time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/22 "2019-06-19T14:14:22Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > But they weren’t just “at the wrong place at the wrong time”. They deliberately, of their own free will, WENT to that place at that specific time. So what? It’s not illegal to go to the border, or request asylum. It’s illegal to attempt to cross under certain circumstances, but illegal acts need to be proved in a court of law after due process, not assumed by the government because of where someone was found. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/23 "2019-06-19T14:17:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If one is inclined to try and frame things in the most positive way possible for the Trump administration, then perhaps. But if one cares more about being accurate and factual, then I think concentration camps is clearly much more accurate. > > There’s nothing illegal about going to the border, or requesting asylum, or the actions of many of these migrants. Many who were detained while or after crossing haven’t been through due process and convicted of any crimes. Some of them might even be legal residents or citizens, with no access to lawyers to prove their legitimacy. > > Concentration camps is a better descriptor for people, not convicted of any crimes, who are rounded up and locked into substandard facilities because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I always saw “concentration camp” refer to camps where a minor group, already a part of the population, is separated out. Indeed, that is exactly what the expert in the article said. Arresting people crossing the border is just a different animal. I am not defending Trump’s policies here. I don’t think people with legit refugee or immigration claims should be held in jails. But calling them concentration camps is an abuse of the term and I predict only going to be accepted by people already disposed to thinking Trump is the next Hitler ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/24 "2019-06-19T14:21:01Z")
I agree that the idea of Trump as Hitler is an exaggeration. Trump lacks the dedication. He’s making a big mess out of immigration because it pleases his base. But he doesn’t really give a shit. When he’s out of office he’ll go back to hiring these guys to work at his resort. But the lack of empathy he shows concerning these migrants is astonishing. He flippantly breaks up families, for keeps now. It’s sick, but it ain’t Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/25 "2019-06-19T14:22:19Z")
“Concentration camp” only implies “the next Hitler” to the truly ignorant. The US used concentration camps to house Japanese-Americans, and the British used them in numerous circumstances. Hitler used them too, but Hitler’s monstrosity is about the extermination camps far more than concentration camps. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/26 "2019-06-19T14:22:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So what? It’s not illegal to go to the border, or request asylum. It’s illegal to attempt to cross under certain circumstances, but illegal acts need to be proved in a court of law after due process, not assumed by the government because of where someone was found. I know that. But your definition of concentration camp includes people being in the “wrong place at the wrong time”, which isn’t really true, and thus your definition of “concentration camp” doesn’t apply here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/27 "2019-06-19T14:26:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I know that. But your definition of concentration camp includes people being in the “wrong place at the wrong time”, which isn’t really true, and thus your definition of “concentration camp” doesn’t apply here. How are they not in the “wrong place at the wrong time”? Many of them did nothing wrong, and yet they’re still treated like vermin. There shouldn’t be any negative consequences to presenting one’s self at the border to request asylum. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/28 "2019-06-19T14:27:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Concentration camp” only implies “the next Hitler” to the truly ignorant. The US used concentration camps to house Japanese-Americans, and the British used them in numerous circumstances. Hitler used them too, but Hitler’s monstrosity is about the extermination camps far more than concentration camps. I didn’t say it implies that, I said that’s whom the rhetoric will appeal to. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/29 "2019-06-19T14:27:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How are they not in the “wrong place at the wrong time”? Many of them did nothing wrong, and yet they’re still treated like vermin. There shouldn’t be any negative consequences to presenting one’s self at the border to request asylum. You and I must have different definitions of “being in the wrong place at the wrong time” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/30 "2019-06-19T14:30:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You and I must have different definitions of “being in the wrong place at the wrong time” Perhaps. IMO, it means someone suffering due to circumstances other than that they did something wrong. Some of these folks had a choice akin to “almost certain death” or “try to apply for asylum at the US border”. If those folks weren’t “in the wrong place at the wrong time”, then who is? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/31 "2019-06-19T14:30:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There shouldn’t be any negative consequences to presenting one’s self at the border to request asylum. I agree. I’d be perfectly fine with “Thank you for requesting asylum. Here is your court date. Here is a list of the documents you may need. Here are the phone numbers of some lawyers who can help you. Come back to the US on this date.” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/32 "2019-06-19T14:48:45Z")
For the sake of hygiene, I hope they’re installing showers at these facilities. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/33 "2019-06-19T14:51:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Very little, to answer the thread title question, IMO. Those who find this kind of thing abominable already oppose Trump, and those that still support Trump are either okay with putting these folks in camps or refuse to believe it no matter the evidence. This (and other similar responses). The only question here is the turnout for whoever the Democratic candidate is in several key states. Otherwise Trump’s votes have been locked in since he took office. They are a mix of the people who hate the reality of America and others who are like a spouse in a bad marriage who won’t ever leave because they don’t want to admit they were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/34 "2019-06-19T14:51:15Z")
**What Effect Will Trump’s Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign?** It will energize Trump’s base, and make more of them get out and vote for him. The only thing that would make his base happier is if Trump authorized the national guard to shoot brown people on sight. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/35 "2019-06-19T14:54:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > They aren’t concentration camps, as I explained, and I don’t support Trump regardless. I’m glad to hear you don’t support Trump. They’re still concentration camps. A lot of “detention” or “refugee” camps qualify as such. A lot of people in a small space with inadequate facilities and limited options (if any) for going elsewhere. The “detainees” are locked up. So far as I know, NONE of them are free to leave until the people with the keys say they can go. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/36 "2019-06-19T14:55:55Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > But they weren’t just “at the wrong place at the wrong time”. They deliberately, of their own free will, WENT to that place at that specific time. You think the six year olds and toddlers really decided to cross an international border on their own? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/37 "2019-06-19T14:57:08Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > They aren’t concentration camps, as I explained, and I don’t support Trump regardless. Right. But no doubt you and your friends will be “forced” to vote for Trump, because his opponent will be so very, very terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/38 "2019-06-19T14:57:29Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You think the six year olds and toddlers really decided to cross an international border on their own? They were forced to do it? By some people other than their parents? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/39 "2019-06-19T15:02:45Z")
I’m sorry - are you not aware that young children, some as young as toddlers are being locked up in [del]cages[/del] prison cells? Are you claiming that those children did this of their own free will rather than being taken across by adults? We generally don’t put young children in jail for the actions of adults. Unless they come from the south and speak Spanish as their first language. Or something else foreign, but right now is seems to be a major problem with folks from sough of the border. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/40 "2019-06-19T15:05:05Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Liz Cheney > Verified account @Liz\_Cheney > **Please @AOC do us all a favor and spend just a few minutes learning some actual history. 6 million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust. You demean their memory and disgrace yourself with comments like this. [https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1140846386042171392](https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1140846386042171392) …** > Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez > ‏Verified account @AOC > Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Liz Cheney > \*\*Also @Liz\_Cheney, the fact that you employed the horrifying word “exterminated” here (co-opting the language of the oppressor) tells us that it’s _you_ that needs to brush up on your reading. > > Hope you enjoy defending concentration camps. I won’t back down fighting against them.\*\* I don’t know why people keep thinking they can get in twitter fights with AOC and win. It almost never goes well for them, and that’s why I’m very glad she’s the first democrat to make a statement on this. Here’s hoping she’s not the last. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > **What Effect Will Trump’s Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign?** > > It will energize Trump’s base, and make more of them get out and vote for him. > > The only thing that would make his base happier is if Trump authorized the national guard to shoot brown people on sight. Yikes. I mean, I have no faith in the American electorate, but this is just brutal. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=3)