# What Effect Will Trump's Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [June 19, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738 "2019-06-19T12:15:42Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/601 "2019-07-02T21:25:00Z")
This is bonkers. If you wanted to say you you didn’t believe them you should have just said so without making up this whole thing about how these primitive folk with their ooga booga language couldn’t understand that they weren’t supposed to drink out of the toilet and it’s all just a wacky mix up.
You should have just said you don’t believe the congresswomen who said that the only available water was in the toilet bowl and instead you believe the border patrol agents who said… who haven’t said anything. That’s who you believe. The people who haven’t yet spoken.
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### Author:  [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/602 "2019-07-02T21:29:25Z")
AOC says Ayanna Pressley tried the faucet and no water came out. [Link](https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1145837522355924992).
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/603 "2019-07-02T21:42:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I think that “hearsay” is probably a better descriptor for the evidence that we’ve been presented rather than “eyewitness”. AOC didn’t claim to see anyone drinking out of the toilet. She didn’t claim to have heard the CBP officer tell the women to do it. She says someone told her about it after the fact, or at least told someone in her delegation, I’m still a bit fuzzy on if she actually entered the facility or not. I see a lot of her retweeting or posting photos taken by others and saying “we saw” rather than more unambiguously-first-person accounts.
If I remember correctly from previous discussions with you, you are remarkably resistant to facts and evidence, no matter how overwhelming, that conflict with your political beliefs. For example, I remember how you managed to read the DOJ report of evidence of racial bias in policing in Ferguson without noticing any evidence of racial bias in policing in Ferguson. I am, in all honestly, not entirely sure what you would do if the GOP party platform included the belief that the moon was made of cheese.
In this case, you have managed to be unaware that AOC physically entered into a CBP facility. You are unaware that she specifically said that she has been inside the facilities. You’re unaware that she specifically said that she held, sat with, and spoke to current detainees. You also seem to be unaware that AOC specifically said their phones were taken from them and cameras were not allowed (but that Castro managed to smuggle one in and take photos), but you’ve managed to turn the fact that she wasn’t permitted to take photos into a conspiracy theory that she wasn’t actually there.
I’ll go back to a comment I made to **Octopus** that I’m fascinated by how much the right wing position is indistinguishable from abject ignorance.
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/604 "2019-07-02T21:45:33Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#):
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> {…}
> I’ll go back to a comment I made to **Octopus** that I’m fascinated by how much the right wing position is indistinguishable from abject ignorance.
No, no, willful ignorance.
CMC fnord!
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### Author:  [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/605 "2019-07-02T22:00:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I suspect the “drink from the toilet” claim was most likely a case of third-worlders not understanding how American toilets work and guards trying to explain to them that they can drink from the spout above the toilet, plus perhaps some nuance being lost in translation, both between the guard and the immigrant, and then the immigrant and the activists / reporters.
Is that what the angry man on the teevee said?
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/606 "2019-07-02T22:18:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Then who _would_ you believe, if not the people that actually were there?
Tucker “immigrants make America dirty” Carlson.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/607 "2019-07-02T22:30:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I’m no more confident in Ayanna Pressley’s ability to operate a faucet than I am in AOC’s ability to truthfully report on the situation.
Your confidence isn’t worth a tinker’s dam.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/608 "2019-07-02T23:02:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I suspect the “drink from the toilet” claim was most likely a case of third-worlders not understanding how American toilets work and guards trying to explain to them that they can drink from the spout above the toilet, plus perhaps some nuance being lost in translation, both between the guard and the immigrant, and then the immigrant and the activists / reporters.
Holy.
Fucking.
Shit.
You are _honestly_ claiming that the detainees don’t know what a _toilet_ is?
I just… I am speechless.
(And that’s saying something)
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/609 "2019-07-02T23:34:06Z")
[Photos of concentration camp from DHS watchdog](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dhs-watchdog-dangerous-overcrowding-of-kids-adults-in-border-detention-centers)
[Guess there are 3 liars](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/immigrants-drinking-toilets-water-aoc-border-patrol), huh **Ditka**?
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/610 "2019-07-02T23:34:24Z")
> [@Broomstick](#):
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> Holy.
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> Fucking.
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> Shit.
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> You are _honestly_ claiming that the detainees don’t know what a _toilet_ is?
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> I just… I am speechless.
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> (And that’s saying something)
And bear in mind that our Hurricane Dikta is one of the _reasonable Republicans_.
There are many, many others out there who could not hope to be this coherent, this articulate and this (yes) reasonable.
Others who simply write the asylum seekers off as non-human animals who actually do not deserve to be treated as human - because they are not.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [July 2, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/611 "2019-07-02T23:36:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I’m no more confident in Ayanna Pressley’s ability to operate a faucet than I am in AOC’s ability to truthfully report on the situation.
Shorter **HD** : I hate these people so I call them liars just because.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/612 "2019-07-03T00:23:18Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Shorter **HD** : I hate these people so I call them liars just because.
More like: [I’ve heard them tell lies about other things](https://www.politifact.com/personalities/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/statements/by/), so I’m not confident they’re telling the truth about this. Here is another account that’s at least as credible as AOC’s:
> [@](#):
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> [“This is what happened with the migrant & drinking water from toilet. She wanted water. Didn’t know how to use the faucet in the cell and drank from the toilet … This was when she [the migrant] was apprehended and brought into the facility,” a Border Patrol agent wrote.](https://twitter.com/Anna_Giaritelli/status/1145837813709070341)
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/613 "2019-07-03T00:41:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> More like: [I’ve heard them tell lies about other things](https://www.politifact.com/personalities/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/statements/by/), so I’m not confident they’re telling the truth about this. Here is another account that’s at least as credible as AOC’s:
You’ve heard Trump tell far more lies and you believe every word he says.
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### Author:  [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/614 "2019-07-03T00:47:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#):
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> Holy.
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> Fucking.
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> Shit.
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> You are _honestly_ claiming that the detainees don’t know what a _toilet_ is?
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> I just… I am speechless.
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> (And that’s saying something)
To be fair, he is also saying that when you have a large group of Central American adult women and a 45 year old African-American woman who grew up in Chicago, it would not be surprising if none of those primitive fucks knew how to work a faucet.
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### Author:  [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/615 "2019-07-03T00:47:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> More like: [I’ve heard them tell lies about other things](https://www.politifact.com/personalities/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/statements/by/),
…five? Only five? Not five pages, but five statements?
Not even close to somebody like [Ted Cruz](https://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/statements/by/), who has eight pages of half-truth, lies, and “pants on fire.” And don’t forget the [President of the United States, who has 35](https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/by/). Not 35 statements: 35 _pages._
> [@](#):
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> so I’m not confident they’re telling the truth about this. Here is another account that’s at least as credible as AOC’s:
Your citing [Anna “Prayer Mat” Giaritelli](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-tweet-prayer-rugs-border-shutdown/580765/) as _at least_ as crediable as AOC? Giatelli has no crediblity at all.
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### Author:  [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/616 "2019-07-03T00:52:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> More like: [I’ve heard them tell lies about other things](https://www.politifact.com/personalities/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/statements/by/), so I’m not confident they’re telling the truth about this. Here is another account that’s at least as credible as AOC’s:
This account is a Tweet anonymously quoting a border patrol agent who describes an incident almost nothing like the situation AOC described with the exception that both stories involved toilet water.
AOC describes hearing from multiple women that the only water available where they are being held is in the toilet and another congresswoman checks the sink to verify that it doesn’t work.
This is not remotely like anonymous border patrol guy’s account that a migrant once drank out of the toilet.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/617 "2019-07-03T01:23:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Here is another account that’s at least as credible as AOC’s:
So let’s summarize your position here:
1. Migrant woman has never seen a water faucet
2. Such people understand that drinking water from a toilet is preferable (not clear if these ignorant people know what a toilet is, since they don’t understand faucets)
3. Member of Congress also can’t operate a faucet
4. CBP Officer lacks skills to tell someone how to operate a faucet in Spanish, but sees the woman use the toilet to drink from while supervising overcrowded cel
5. Dozens of other Spanish-speaking women in same cell also decline to tell the one woman not to drink from toilet
6. CBP can be counted on the maintain all utilities in fine working order despite overcrowding of the facility by seven times its maximum capacity, leading to outbreaks of lice and dangerous communicable diseases, where the officers feared riots due to deteriorating conditions… but it just doesn’t make sense that a faucet could be broken. Ridiculous!
I know I’m filling in some gaps here, but just tell me — all of this sounds quite reasonable to you, huh?
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/618 "2019-07-03T02:07:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> You’ve heard Trump tell far more lies and you believe every word he says.
Not even close.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/619 "2019-07-03T02:26:37Z")
> [@Ravenman](#):
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> So let’s summarize your position here:
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> 1. Migrant woman has never seen a water faucet
> 2. Such people understand that drinking water from a toilet is preferable (not clear if these ignorant people know what a toilet is, since they don’t understand faucets)
> 3. Member of Congress also can’t operate a faucet
> 4. CBP Officer lacks skills to tell someone how to operate a faucet in Spanish, but sees the woman use the toilet to drink from while supervising overcrowded cel
> 5. Dozens of other Spanish-speaking women in same cell also decline to tell the one woman not to drink from toilet
> 6. CBP can be counted on the maintain all utilities in fine working order despite overcrowding of the facility by seven times its maximum capacity, leading to outbreaks of lice and dangerous communicable diseases, where the officers feared riots due to deteriorating conditions… but it just doesn’t make sense that a faucet could be broken. Ridiculous!
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> I know I’m filling in some gaps here, but just tell me — all of this sounds quite reasonable to you, huh?
You know what else he thinks isn’t completely unreasonable…
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### Author:  [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)
#### Post date: [July 3, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/620 "2019-07-03T02:39:15Z")
You know that thing about the inhabitants of Hispanola being unable to see Columbus’s ships because they lacked a frame of reference to even comprehend what they were looking at?
Same exact thing with Central American women or 45 year old African-American women with six figure salaries and faucets.
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