# What Effect Will Trump's Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738 "2019-06-19T12:15:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/721 "2019-08-09T13:40:01Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Here](https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1963208001) is a better article that doesn’t avoid pointing out that he was a career criminal. Thank you for proving the point I was making upthread. Seriously, what relevance does that have? What _possible_ relevance? Why does that fact matter even a little bit when it comes to someone who has lived in our country for all but 6 months of his life? If you break the law, is it all right for me to send you off to die in the streets of a country you have never known? Does a criminal record make this any less of a cruel, senseless act? But no. He was “a criminal”, so it’s fine to send him off to die, and we don’t have to care about the insane cruelty at play here. Any excuse not to care. Our government murdered this man, but hey, he was “no angel”, so who cares if the government sends someone to their death? The fact that this man is a criminal is not relevant or important to the story of our government sending someone who came here as an infant to die in the streets of Iraq. It is, however, an excuse not to care, if you are in fact searching for one. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/722 "2019-08-09T14:06:14Z")
Seems to me that we wouldn’t be having these raids and family separations and concentration camps if the refugees were from fine European stock rather than being a little more pigmented than white Americans. If Sweden went to hell and people there were in mortal danger from gangs every day, would we put them in camps when applying for asylum? Would we deport parents to go home and die and keep their children here in concentration camps? Would we try to rationalize it and say “well, they can go home and die whenever they want to, so it doesn’t matter that we keep them in inhumane conditions”? You bet your sweet ass we wouldn’t. American right wingers tolerate it, they condone it, they fucking love it because they are at their very core, racist. So the worse that Donald’s SS shock troops treat the immigrants, the more solid his support among his racist base. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/723 "2019-08-09T14:15:32Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The fact that this man is a criminal is not relevant or important to the story of our government sending someone who came here as an infant to die in the streets of Iraq. It is, however, an excuse not to care, if you are in fact searching for one. Because green card holders who break the law are in danger of deportation. That’s why his criminal status is relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/724 "2019-08-09T14:34:59Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The fact that this man is a criminal is not relevant or important to the story of our government sending someone who came here as an infant to die in the streets of Iraq. It is, however, an excuse not to care, if you are in fact searching for one. Career criminals are exactly the kind of immigrant that I’m fine with deporting. I only wish all natural-born citizen career criminals could be deported, too. I’m not happy that the guy is dead, but I am happy that he is no longer in the US commiting crimes. If this was the only type of immigrant being deported, I’d be all for it. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/725 "2019-08-09T14:42:31Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > … > > > > **The operation was so closely guarded that ICE officials did not even inform the White House before it began** > > > > … Aside from the fact that King Cannot can’t be trusted to keep this sort of thing under wraps, I have to wonder if secrecy was mandated from on high in order to maintain plausible (snerk) deniability. “Make these raids as horrific as possible, but don’t tell us in advance so we can deny all knowledge in case it blows up in our faces.” I don’t hang around on RW boards — I’m of an age where I have to watch my blood pressure — but have they started floating the idea that the children are “crisis actors” imported by the television station (or maybe antifa)? Also, they tried a [raid](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-christine-quinn-win-ice-homeless-trump-20190808-djlqkfnkkbcdzdvf5kirafifvm-story.html) at a homeless shelter in Brooklyn (although in this case they were apparently after a specific person) but were turned away by staff who wouldn’t let them in without a proper warrant. A small victory, but also a reminder that these people are not omnipotent. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/726 "2019-08-09T14:44:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Seems to me that we wouldn’t be having these raids and family separations and concentration camps if the refugees were from fine European stock rather than being a little more pigmented than white Americans. If Sweden went to hell and people there were in mortal danger from gangs every day, would we put them in camps when applying for asylum? Would we deport parents to go home and die and keep their children here in concentration camps? Would we try to rationalize it and say “well, they can go home and die whenever they want to, so it doesn’t matter that we keep them in inhumane conditions”? You bet your sweet ass we wouldn’t. American right wingers tolerate it, they condone it, they fucking love it because they are at their very core, racist. So the worse that Donald’s SS shock troops treat the immigrants, the more solid his support among his racist base. That’s silly. You think that if 10 or so million immigrants were here illegally from a different region of the world that they’d be ignored? Look at other countries and examine their response to mass migration. Concerning the restrictions on immigration, are all laws, policies, and sentiment throughout the world white supremacy or white nationalism? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/727 "2019-08-09T14:56:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s silly. You think that if 10 or so million immigrants were here illegally from a different region of the world that they’d be ignored? Look at other countries and examine their response to mass migration. Concerning the restrictions on immigration, are all laws, policies, and sentiment throughout the world white supremacy or white nationalism? Do you think that 1,000 Swedes would be treated as harshly by American authorities as 1,000 Guatemalans? No, not every country in the world is run by white nationalists. That doesn’t stop white nationalists from trying. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/728 "2019-08-09T15:35:22Z")
I noticed this morning that all the reporting on the raids in Mississippi have the faces of the Ice agents blurred out, is this normal? Do none of these agents have children…or hearts? I mean, for fucks sake. I’ve never been so ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/729 "2019-08-09T15:37:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Seems to me that we wouldn’t be having these raids and family separations and concentration camps if the refugees were from fine European stock rather than being a little more pigmented than white Americans. Seems to me you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/730 "2019-08-09T16:06:10Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Cops shoot an unarmed man? “He shouldn’t have resisted arrest.” Yeah, when agents of the state have power to kill some will kill. That’s terrible. Funny thing is the left always looks to increase the reach and power of the very state that is responsible for mass incarceration in horrific jails. The same state that has the power to regulate and tax and spend on everything you like needs the threat of punishment for compliance. Now, you are just upset that the power of the state is being employed against a bloc that might be politically convenient for the democrats in a generation. But let’s say you are leaving politics out of it and are strictly concerned with humanitarian concerns. That’s real good and kind. However, the magnitude of the problem and unintended consequences are going to result in far more suffering in the future. > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > Poor people die because they can’t afford medicine? “Should have worked harder.” That’s bad as well. Unfortunately we live in a world where human labor is still a critical component of productivity. Figure out a system where goods and services are produced effectively and distributed exceedingly efficiently without the profit motive being involved and the world will benefit. Until then, you can’t have a system that destroys the incentives to innovate and produce. Is there room for improvement? Yes. But free everything isn’t it. > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > ICE deports hundreds of people, leaving hundreds of children suddenly without parents? “I blame their parents for coming here illegaly.” > ICE runs concentration camps in abysmal conditions with [consistent](https://rewire.news/article/2019/04/05/ice-increased-risks-pregnant-migrants-detention/) [atrocities](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sexual-abuse.html) where people [just keep dying](https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/immigrant-kids-keep-dying-cbp-detention)? “They shouldn’t have crossed the border.” That’s all terrible. But what happens to children when their parents break any other law and are detained? What we are doing currently I don’t agree with. I don’t agree with treating people, be they American citizens, POWs, or immigrants being treated poorly. And we are treating people horribly. All forms of detention need to be brought to a much higher standard and I’m disgusted they are not. We have a punitive and vindictive culture and it’s disturbing. Look at the prison rape jokes. Rape isn’t funny. > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > “The problem isn’t that we’re funnelling people into concentration camps, it’s that we’ve allowed immigration to get to this point!” Never mind that immigration isn’t actually worse now than it was under Obama, and that we are _choosing_ to put people in camps as a means to deter illegal immigration. This means **octopus** doesn’t have to care about the policy or the cruelty; he has his excuse. It’s no excuse. We shouldn’t be handling illegal immigration or crime in general the way we do. But we can’t ignore the root causes. One of which is that a substantial portion of elected officials ignore the law and promote de facto open borders for personal political gain. Be outraged all you wish about kids in cages. It is outrageous. It’s also outrageous that American politicians have in part created the conditions that have led to a backlash and a crackdown. And the results aren’t just limited to USA. In many other countries there is a resurgence of nationalism because of short sighted migration enforcement policy. You think the rise of nationalism is dangerous and scary now wait 20-40 years when mass migration really ramps up. > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > If I could beg all of you for just one thing, it would be this: _care_. Care about the monstrous policies at play here. Care about the unbelievable suffering we are causing. Don’t look for an excuse, don’t grasp for a rationalization, don’t tune it out because it seems unbelievable. Notice how they are suffering and _care_. Because there are a great many forces in our country that are doing everything they can to snuff out that spark of empathy, and convince us not to care. Entire propaganda networks dedicated to convincing us not to care. And down that road, madness lies. People do care. But the problems that lead to mass migration aren’t going to be solved by opening the borders. It feels good to help 1-2 doesn’t it? Multiply that by a thousand or a 100 thousand and it still feels good. A nation like ours could probably take in more people than we have and more than are here currently. However, unconstrained mass migration will involve more than a million or two. Some facts: the world has ~7.5 billion people. The median household income is ~$10,000. Around 1/2 the planet lives on ~$2.50/day. That’s a lot of people and that’s a lot of income disparity. That means just for economic reasons alone there is a tremendously strong pressure to migrate. If there were no border controls I guarantee you the rich countries would be seeing tens, if not hundreds, of millions of migrants. It would be inevitable. Do you think the US, Japan, Australia, Europe, and China should take in a billion or more collectively due to economic migration? Without borders or border control that would happen. Why wouldn’t someone making a dollar or day or less move to a country with running water, sewers, and free health care? So, if the compassionate thing is to open the borders and take care of people why not just say it? Run on open borders. What’s an alternative? Fixing the corrupt, dangerous, gang infested countries they come from? How? Without invading the country and going door to door and confiscating weapons how can we or anyone else do that? We don’t have the will to do that in countries we are actually at war with. Could do it. But we don’t. So it probably isn’t happening. So we aren’t fixing the now. Ok, what about the future that is coming? Population is projected to be 8.5 billion in 2030, 9.7 billion in 2050, 11.2 billion in 2100. That’s a lot of people. That’s a lot of food needed. That’s a lot of energy needed for electricity. Coinciding with the increase in population is a decrease in land and food due to the rise of the ocean. Now people must move. You can’t stay in land that is 10 feet under water. Global warming isn’t going to be dealt with because short sighted behavior and desires are what people want satisfied. People severely discount future costs due to present behaviors. So aside from “caring” what do you propose to actually do that treats the cause instead of 2nd order effect? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/731 "2019-08-09T16:09:08Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Seems to me you’re wrong. No, the level of toleration of inhumane treatment of refugees is directly proportional to the level of pigmentation of the people being incarcerated. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/732 "2019-08-09T16:16:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Do you think that 1,000 Swedes would be treated as harshly by American authorities as 1,000 Guatemalans? No, not every country in the world is run by white nationalists. That doesn’t stop white nationalists from trying. Different circumstances. Look at how Latin American nations treat migrants. Have you? What about the atrocities that occur in Mexico? [https://www.amnestyusa.org/most-dangerous-journey-what-central-american-migrants-face-when-they-try-to-cross-the-border/](https://www.amnestyusa.org/most-dangerous-journey-what-central-american-migrants-face-when-they-try-to-cross-the-border/) Must be Trump’s, oops I mean the orange menace-orangutan’s fault. He’s orange so we can call him an ape. Done any reading on how Venezuelan women are sold in Colombia? [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colombia-venezuela-slavery/desperate-venezuelan-migrants-fall-prey-to-sex-slavery-in-colombia-idUSKCN1NX22XThat](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colombia-venezuela-slavery/desperate-venezuelan-migrants-fall-prey-to-sex-slavery-in-colombia-idUSKCN1NX22XThat) sure as hell isn’t motivated by white nationalists in Columbia now is it? Now speaking of slavery… you can still buy a slave over in Africa. Are the Libyan’s who enslave sub-Saharan Africans MAGAts or “deplorables?” [Migrants Captured In Libya Say They End Up Sold As Slaves : Parallels : NPR](https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/21/595497429/migrants-passing-through-libya-could-end-up-being-sold-as-slaves) Point being, as bad as the USA is. As bad as Trump is. So-called white nationalism is not the root cause of the maltreatment of people and migrants globally. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/733 "2019-08-09T16:30:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Different circumstances. Look at how Latin American nations treat migrants. Have you? What about the atrocities that occur in Mexico? [https://www.amnestyusa.org/most-dangerous-journey-what-central-american-migrants-face-when-they-try-to-cross-the-border/](https://www.amnestyusa.org/most-dangerous-journey-what-central-american-migrants-face-when-they-try-to-cross-the-border/) Must be Trump’s, oops I mean the orange menace-orangutan’s fault. He’s orange so we can call him an ape. Done any reading on how Venezuelan women are sold in Colombia? [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colombia-venezuela-slavery/desperate-venezuelan-migrants-fall-prey-to-sex-slavery-in-colombia-idUSKCN1NX22XThat](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colombia-venezuela-slavery/desperate-venezuelan-migrants-fall-prey-to-sex-slavery-in-colombia-idUSKCN1NX22XThat) sure as hell isn’t motivated by white nationalists in Columbia now is it? > > Now speaking of slavery… you can still buy a slave over in Africa. Are the Libyan’s who enslave sub-Saharan Africans MAGAts or “deplorables?” [Migrants Captured In Libya Say They End Up Sold As Slaves : Parallels : NPR](https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/21/595497429/migrants-passing-through-libya-could-end-up-being-sold-as-slaves) > > Point being, as bad as the USA is. As bad as Trump is. So-called white nationalism is not the root cause of the maltreatment of people and migrants globally. Why are you so invested in rationalizing and making excuses for this awful stuff? The Trump administration is on record as valuing the purposeful harm of migrant families and children. That’s a new policy, not an old one – they want migrants and even migrant children to suffer, for deterrent purposes – according to their own words. Do you really think this has nothing to do with racism and bigotry? That doesn’t seem credible, considering the hateful rhetoric of Trump, his administration, and his supporters. It doesn’t mean that there’s not lots of other bad stuff that needs to be corrected. But Trump really is especially bad – far worse than normal. It’s appropriate to focus special attention on the especially terrible stuff he’s overseeing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/734 "2019-08-09T16:46:23Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I noticed this morning that all the reporting on the raids in Mississippi have the faces of the Ice agents blurred out, is this normal? > > Do none of these agents have children…or hearts? I mean, for fucks sake. > > I’ve never been so ashamed. The ICE agents ran out of hoods. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/735 "2019-08-09T16:50:30Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The ICE agents ran out of hoods. The KKK isn’t doing anything with theirs at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/736 "2019-08-09T17:51:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why are you so invested in rationalizing and making excuses for this awful stuff? The Trump administration is on record as valuing the purposeful harm of migrant families and children. That’s a new policy, not an old one – they want migrants and even migrant children to suffer, for deterrent purposes – according to their own words. Do you really think this has nothing to do with racism and bigotry? That doesn’t seem credible, considering the hateful rhetoric of Trump, his administration, and his supporters. > > It doesn’t mean that there’s not lots of other bad stuff that needs to be corrected. But Trump really is especially bad – far worse than normal. It’s appropriate to focus special attention on the especially terrible stuff he’s overseeing. Saying the government is doing a terrible job while pointing out the root cause is not making an excuse. We can and should treat people better. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/737 "2019-08-09T18:00:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Saying the government is doing a terrible job while pointing out the root cause is not making an excuse. We can and should treat people better. When you say “a substantial portion of elected officials ignore the law and promote de facto open borders for personal political gain.” to counter the idea that it’s not all Trump’s fault, you are kinda making excuses. Refugees don’t flood north because they’ve heard about sanctuary cities. The volume of immigrants/refugees is almost entirely attributable to economic conditions and violence levels further south. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/738 "2019-08-09T18:01:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Does a criminal record make this any less of a cruel, senseless act? From the linked article - > [@](#): > > ICE Detroit office said: “Al-Daoud has an extensive criminal history involving no less than twenty convictions between 1998-2017, to include assault with a dangerous weapon; assault and/or battery; domestic violence; contempt of court-failure to appear; breaking and entering; malicious destruction of a building; malicious destruction of property; assaulting, resisting, or obstructing a police officer; disorderly conduct; home invasion; possession of marijuana; larceny; breaking and entering a vehicle, and receiving and concealing stolen property.” So yes, it does. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/739 "2019-08-09T18:16:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Saying the government is doing a terrible job while pointing out the root cause is not making an excuse. We can and should treat people better. But it’s not just a “terrible job” – it’s hateful policies that are purposefully meant to harm families and children. That’s a new phenomenon, and not something to gloss over. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/740 "2019-08-09T18:30:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > From the linked article - So yes, it does. > > Regards, > Shodan Sending him to an unknown place he’d never been, and virtually certain death, is less cruel and senseless because he’s done some bad things? Can you explain the reasoning behind this? I can understand deporting a criminal – even a diabetic criminal – but not to a place they’ve never been, and in which his death would be near-certain in the short-term. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=38)