# What Effect Will Trump's Concentration Camps have on his reelection campaign? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738 "2019-06-19T12:15:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/141 "2019-06-20T20:52:03Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …oh for fucks sakes this has nothing to do with the fucking election. We can’t just stop doing stuff because there is going to be an election in two years. We can’t just stop speaking out because a random person on the internet thinks “speaking out” \*\*might \*\*affect the way people will vote. There is no magical correct course of action here that will guarantee a Trump loss in 2020. You can’t stop people speaking out. If you are worried about the next election then worry about voter suppression, worry about getting people out to vote, worry about voter machines, worry about the security of the next election. All of those things will have infinitely more effect on the next election than a single word. > > Calling them concentration camps changes the conversation. It correctly describes the conditions of the camp and the purpose of the camp. The only people who are associating the use of the word with “Trump with Hitler” are people like you who have no hesitation in propagating that narrative. So just stop doing that already. Horseshit. The term was chosen, deliberately, to create this impression and craft the narrative exactly as it has been. Then folks like you can come in with a butter wouldn’t melt in your mouths look and say, no, it wasn’t meant to be that, no one meant it to be an association of ‘Trump with Hitler’, that’s all in your head…just stop. Fwapfwapfwapfwap. They aren’t concentration camps. They are transitory detention camps. See, folks go into them…and get processed pretty much as quickly as they can and sent back where they came from. And then, in many cases, try to come back again, and are detained again. Actual concentration camps have never worked that way. They aren’t transitory or meant to detain people trying to do something while they are processed and sent back to somewhere. That’s not how US concentration camps worked for the Japanese during the war, or any other Concentration Camp in history. It’s not how they worked during the Boer Wars, or in China, or Russia, or Germany or anywhere else. It’s not even how it’s worked in the West Bank region with the semi-permanent camps for the Palestinians which is probably the closest actual analogy. But then, this isn’t about historical or linguistic accuracy…it’s about scoring points and guiding the narrative. Oh, but we is all too stupid to see that and butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth. Sorry…forgot about that. As for stopping people from speaking out, what another load of horseshit. I’m not trying to stop people from speaking out…I’m trying to stop them from being stupid by pointing out that this tactic isn’t going to work and will, IMHO, backfire. But, you know, you do you…I’m sure the Dems who are doing this know what they are doing and have everything under control. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/142 "2019-06-20T21:33:45Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Question: Is the objection that migrants are being held in camps that are inhumane, or that they are being detained at all in the first place? My objection is more to the **inhumane conditions** than the detainment AND needlessly splitting up families, although I question if all of those people really do need to be detained at all. But if we are going to detain people it should be done in a humane manner, meaning adequate room, actual beds of some sort, modern sanitation, adequate food and water and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/143 "2019-06-20T21:44:07Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not sure what is so hard to understand. You can call them “concentration camps” as much as you want. As soon as you say “concentration camps” to someone you are trying to convince, they are immediately going to think of Nazi concentration camps. Not extermination camps. The concentration camps where people worked until they died, or starved to death, or were shot or whatever. The Nazi camps didn’t _start_ with extermination, they started with “detaining” “foreigners”, or removing them from an area. They world up to the idea of industrial murder. Which is where I fear this is going if the alt-right Trumpists aren’t stopped. But hey, if you insist apples are oranges we can call them “detainment camps”. Which are cruel and inhumane and should be dismantled and the occupants apologized to. > [@](#): > > And isn’t that your goal? Getting people to listen? If not, then WHAT is your goal? If I have a goal here it’s to wake people up and get them angry enough to do something - like vote out this administration which has no problems stealing children and keeping human beings of all ages in horrible conditions, and apparently doesn’t give a damn if people die or kids go missing. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/144 "2019-06-20T22:08:22Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Horseshit. The term was chosen, deliberately, to create this impression and craft the narrative exactly as it has been. …horseshit. For months people who are qualified to speak on the matter have been calling them concentration camps: if you hadn’t noticed then you simply hadn’t been payin attention. All AOC did was bring it to the public’s consciousness. > [@](#): > > Then folks like you can come in with a butter wouldn’t melt in your mouths look and say, no, it wasn’t meant to be that, no one meant it to be an association of ‘Trump with Hitler’, that’s all in your head…just stop. Fwapfwapfwapfwap. It is all in your head. > [@](#): > > They aren’t concentration camps. They are transitory detention camps. I just googled “transitory detention camps.” I got a single hit. From 2012. You’ve just made that up. How Orwellian of you. > [@](#): > > See, folks go into them…and get processed pretty much as quickly as they can and sent back where they came from. And then, in many cases, try to come back again, and are detained again. Are you just regurgitating government propaganda or can you back any of this up? How \*\*quickly \*\*are they being processed, and what are the conditions they are being held in? Are families still being seperated? Has the process to seek asylum changed? > [@](#): > > Actual concentration camps have never worked that way. They aren’t transitory or meant to detain people trying to do something while they are processed and sent back to somewhere. That’s not how US concentration camps worked for the Japanese during the war, or any other Concentration Camp in history. It’s not how they worked during the Boer Wars, or in China, or Russia, or Germany or anywhere else. It’s not even how it’s worked in the West Bank region with the semi-permanent camps for the Palestinians which is probably the closest actual analogy. But then, this isn’t about historical or linguistic accuracy…it’s about scoring points and guiding the narrative. Its funny how multiple historians have been cited in this thread that state that concentration camp is an appropriate word to be using here but random internet poster says they are all wrong. I’ll side with the historians over the random internet poster. > [@](#): > > Oh, but we is all too stupid to see that and butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth. Sorry…forgot about that. You said it, not me. > [@](#): > > As for stopping people from speaking out, what another load of horseshit. I’m not trying to stop people from speaking out…I’m trying to stop them from being stupid by pointing out that this tactic isn’t going to work and will, IMHO, backfire. But, you know, you do you…I’m sure the Dems who are doing this know what they are doing and have everything under control. Of course you are trying to get people to stop speaking out. You are using the fear of losing the next election to get people to “shut up.” AOC does know what she is doing. People are dying in those camps. 7 more children have died in custody than have ever died in detention in the previous 10 years (where none died) Adults have died as well but we don’t have accurate figures. [There are secret shelters](https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-03-19/us-government-uses-several-clandestine-shelters-detain-immigrant-children). We are only scratching on the surface of what is actually happening in the camps. You can’t ignore that this system has been set up by a literal white supremacist. You are going to be on the wrong side of history. “Transitory detention camps.” Holy fucking shit. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/145 "2019-06-20T22:14:02Z")
> [@CAH66](#): > > The OP was asking about the effects these camps would have on Trump’s election. I’ve already chimed in that I think it will basically be nada, (regardless of the terminology.) However, I could be wrong and, unless I really miss my guess here, I believe that most of the people oppose the camps, Trump’s policies, and ultimately his re-election. To that end, I advise for purely practical reasons not using a term which is going to cause a whole bunch of people to stop listening to your arguments. …the bunch of people who stop listening to your arguments were never listening to our arguments anyway. > [@](#): > > Basic communication includes not just what you say, but how you say it. Knowing (and we all do by now) what the differences between the historical/textbook meaning of “concentration camp” is vs the colloquial meaning is should determine whether it’s a good term to use given the aims you are trying to achieve. If these people would rather be correct than persuasive, if they’d rather continue to argue about the language instead of the policies that motivated them in the first place, or if they’d just like to vent spleen and rage against injustices to the like-minded, then by all means carry on. On the other hand, if they want to reach out to people and possibly change some minds, than maybe they should rethink the way they present their arguments so that people don’t dismiss them as overwrought cranks out of hand. Can you quantify any of this? How do you know that using the word “concentration camp” has not been persuasive? Why are you continuing to argue about the language when I explicitly invited you to talk about the policies that motivated them in the first place? I’m not stopping you talking about the policies instead of the language. \*\*You \*\*are the one who is not talking about them. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/146 "2019-06-20T22:38:35Z")
Happy World Refugee Day, everyone! Jesus wept. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/147 "2019-06-20T22:44:12Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > If I have a goal here it’s to wake people up and get them angry enough to do something - like vote out this administration which has no problems stealing children and keeping human beings of all ages in horrible conditions, and apparently doesn’t give a damn if people die or kids go missing. Great! But they aren’t going to do that if they stop listening to you. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/148 "2019-06-20T22:52:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Great! But they aren’t going to do that if they stop listening to you. …AOC has a social-media reach second only to Donald Trump (In regards to politicians). The people that she needed to reach are listening to her. Those people will engage in their own circles to spread that same message but adjusted to suit their audience. Trying to reach everyone is a fools game. That isn’t how it works any more. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/149 "2019-06-20T22:54:41Z")
I’d like to hear how you think the conversation would go: “Hi, I’d like you to vote for the Democrat candidate so we can stop travesty going on at the border in the concentration camps…” “Wait, we have concentration camps at the border? We are forcing people to work until they die, we are deliberately starving them, we are executing them?” “No, not that. But holding people in dangerous conditions while they wait to be processed” “So, we are not deliberately killing them? Doesn’t sound like concentration camps to me.” “They are. Here are some sites to historians that say they meet the classical definition of concentration camp that was used up until 1945 and when you…” “Whatever. Let me know when we start deliberately killing people.” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/150 "2019-06-20T22:55:47Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …AOC has a social-media reach second only to Donald Trump (In regards to politicians). The people that she needed to reach are listening to her. Those people will engage in their own circles to spread that same message but adjusted to suit their audience. Trying to reach everyone is a fools game. That isn’t how it works any more. Yeah, and she’s being endlessly mocked for saying “concentration camp” How is that helping? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/151 "2019-06-20T23:05:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yeah, and she’s being endlessly mocked for saying “concentration camp” > > How is that helping? …Donald Trump was endlessly mocked for everything he said and he got elected President of the United States of America. Stephen Miller has been endlessly mocked and has effectively instituted concentration camps on the borders. I really don’t think you guys have figured out this all works now. AOC is endlessly mocked for everything she does. But why would that matter? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/152 "2019-06-20T23:19:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yeah, and she’s being endlessly mocked for saying “concentration camp” > > How is that helping? She is being endlessly mocked for every single thing she has said, and quite a few things she has not said. It’s white noise, created by worthless idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/153 "2019-06-20T23:19:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I really don’t think you guys have figured out this all works now. AOC is endlessly mocked for everything she does. But why would that matter? I don’t think YOU figured it all out. You can scream “Concentration camp!” until you are blue in the face. The people you want to reach stop listening after you say it. If you are cool with people not listening so you can make ridiculous comparisons to Nazis, then feel free. Good luck with it. Like I said before. I already believe that conditions are bad. But I don’t want to hear “concentration camp” because to me, it means “the deliberate policy of extermination through labor…designed to ensure that the inmates would die of starvation, untreated disease and summary executions within set periods of time” ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/154 "2019-06-20T23:27:43Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Donald Trump was endlessly mocked for everything he said and he got elected President of the United States of America. > > Stephen Miller has been endlessly mocked and has effectively instituted concentration camps on the borders. > > I really don’t think you guys have figured out this all works now. AOC is endlessly mocked for everything she does. But why would that matter? Nearly the entire Republican party has coalesced around that. Ocasio is not on the same page as Pelosi and Schumer half the time. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/155 "2019-06-20T23:54:43Z")
The controversy AOC caused raised my own awareness. At first, I thought I was going to see the spectacle of her hyperbole. Unhappy surprise, things are worse than I thought and she is right after all. But I can see Manson’s point. Manson, how many people need to die in these camps before you accept the terms ‘concentration camp’? Do they have to be worked to death, or would being crammed together without sanitation until they croak be sufficient? How many? I hope we don’t get to 5 million, scratch our heads and say, “gosh, I guess they really were concentration camps. Hindsight is 20/20!” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/156 "2019-06-21T00:01:29Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The controversy AOC caused raised my own awareness. At first, I thought I was going to see the spectacle of her hyperbole. Unhappy surprise, things are worse than I thought and she is right after all. > > But I can see Manson’s point. Manson, how many people need to die in these camps before you accept the terms ‘concentration camp’? Do they have to be worked to death, or would being crammed together without sanitation until they croak be sufficient? How many? I hope we don’t get to 5 million, scratch our heads and say, “gosh, I guess they really were concentration camps. Hindsight is 20/20!” Good question. How many have died from being worked to death? How many have died from deliberate starvation? How many have died from summary execution? When the answer to those questions is more than “0”, then you might have something. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/157 "2019-06-21T00:55:56Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’d like to hear how you think the conversation would go: > > “Hi, I’d like you to vote for the Democrat candidate so we can stop travesty going on at the border in the concentration camps…” > > “Wait, we have concentration camps at the border? We are forcing people to work until they die, we are deliberately starving them, we are executing them?” > > “No, not that. But holding people in dangerous conditions while they wait to be processed” > > “So, we are not deliberately killing them? Doesn’t sound like concentration camps to me.” > > “They are. Here are some sites to historians that say they meet the classical definition of concentration camp that was used up until 1945 and when you…” > > “Whatever. Let me know when we start deliberately killing people.” Yeah, because having people die by gross mismanagement and neglect is _so_ much better. Word of caution: don’t light too many matches around that argument. Straw is very flammable. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Yeah, and she’s being endlessly mocked for saying “concentration camp” > > How is that helping? “Endlessly mocked” by Cheeto Jeezus’ enablers and thugs? Oh the humanity. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/158 "2019-06-21T01:06:37Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > “Endlessly mocked” by Cheeto Jeezus’ enablers and thugs? Oh the humanity. :smack: The people you have to convince there is a problem? Yeah, I consider that significant. ---
**Author:** ![str8cashhomie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@str8cashhomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/str8cashhomie)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/159 "2019-06-21T01:29:23Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Nearly the entire Republican party has coalesced around that. Ocasio is not on the same page as Pelosi and Schumer half the time. Mainstream Republicans actually fought tooth and nail to shut Trump down, and to limit the tea party’s power before this. Probably the most important aspect of this is that this issue had essentially died, and uncontroversial comments from opponents of Trumps border separation policy didn’t generate any traction. AOC put this back into the public consciousness. I don’t think this will matter much in 2020, but it’s still important whenever a non-Trump president is in office that this is an issue where they will face pressure to remedy the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738/160 "2019-06-21T01:48:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t think YOU figured it all out. You can scream “Concentration camp!” until you are blue in the face. The people you want to reach stop listening after you say it. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The controversy AOC caused raised my own awareness. At first, I thought I was going to see the spectacle of her hyperbole. Unhappy surprise, things are worse than I thought and she is right after all. …the people that needed to be reached got reached. > [@](#): > > If you are cool with people not listening so you can make ridiculous comparisons to Nazis, then feel free. Good luck with it. The only people making ridiculous comparisons to Nazis are people like you. If you were to stop doing that then the ridiculous comparisons would stop. > [@](#): > > Like I said before. I already believe that conditions are bad. You do realize that saying the conditions are only “bad” is every bit as propagandistic as what you claim “concentration camps” to be? What can we discern from the word “bad?” The conditions in a typical prison are “bad” compared to what most people are used too. Are the conditions in the camp equivalent to what you would find in a typical prison or are they orders of magnitude worse? > [@](#): > > But I don’t want to hear “concentration camp” because to me, it means “the deliberate policy of extermination through labor…designed to ensure that the inmates would die of starvation, untreated disease and summary executions within set periods of time” What “you hear” and what was both explicitly meant and how the word is explicitly defined are two different things. You’ve been participating in the thread for a while now. You must have read all of the cites from historians who both define what is meant by a concentration camp and agree with the characterization that these are indeed concentration camps. So after all of that: why are you insisting on using a definition of concentration camp that you seem to have invented out of whole cloth? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-effect-will-trumps-concentration-camps-have-on-his-reelection-campaign/835738.md?page=9)