# What "Evil" books should I read? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 29, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369 "2009-06-29T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/61 "2009-07-01T20:23:58Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Read whatever you want- just be forewarned that a LOT of “evil” stuff is mighty boring when you actually read, see or hear it. Its been said of Mein Kampf that history may have been very different if that had been better written. It was very fashionable to own a copy during Hitler’s rise to power, but its such a terrible book that only fanatics actually read it. If more people had, more people would have realized how extreme he really was. One I’d add that I recently heard about (in this [article](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/30/malkovich-jack-unterweger-vienna-austria)) Purgatory and the other books of Jack Unterweger would DEFINITELY fit that description. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/62 "2009-07-01T23:15:11Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Is he the “Serpent Seed” guy? The lizards were the snake in the garden of Eden who boinked Eve who gave birth to half-lizard Jews? > > Or was that someone else? No, that’s some of the Christian Identity folks. Probably the most famous (at least to 3 AM channel-hoppers) preacher of Serpent-Seed theology is Pastor Arnold Murray of Shepherd’s Chapel- and he’s the one who’s NICE about it!\* (“Nice” in that he teaches that the Serpent-Seed Cainites/Kenites have infiltrated but not completely overrun the Jews and that Kenites can be saved, and not that they are all demonic sub-humans who should be eradicated.) David Icke seems to teach that ALL religions have been foisted off on us by the Reptilians. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/63 "2009-07-01T23:26:57Z")
> [@filling\_pages](#): > > On the other hand, Samuel Delany wrote a book called **[Hogg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogg_(novel))** that is probably the dirtiest and most disturbing piece of fiction I’ve ever read (not least because of Delany’s skill as an author). It’s told from the viewpoint of an 11 year old boy, and every page is drenched in (to quote the wiki) “murder, homosexuality, child molestation, incest, coprophilia, coprophagia, urolagnia, anal-oral contact, necrophilia and rape.” I just ordered _Hogg_ on Amazon. I mean, how could I not, after that description? Even with all that, I doubt it will be able to top _Crash_ in terms of sheer perversity, though it will probably be more “conventionally” transgressive. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/64 "2009-07-01T23:37:41Z")
> [@GoodOmens](#): > > lots of not-so-veiled reference to the Jews I’m by no means an expert on the subject, but I didn’t think David Icke’s lizard people are no-so-veiled references to Jews, but rather his lizard people are actually lizard people, not metaphotical “nudge-nudge wink-wink ‘lizard’ people if you get what I mean” but very real physical lizards, with lizard tongues and all. I always thought his neo-nazi following was kind of funny… no this guy is not some kind canny Nazi anti-semite, wrapping his anti-semitism up in talk about “lizards”, he’s a crazy ex-snooker commentator who went on the Wogan show in torquoise shell-suit and claimed to be son-of-god, and thinks ACTUAL LIZARDS are running the world. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/65 "2009-07-02T05:24:41Z")
You might want to search for these books (especially the older ones) on [http://www.gutenberg.org/](http://www.gutenberg.org/) free online library. That way you can read them without having to buy them and put money into the hands of the author or their heirs or assignees. I know that The Clansman and several de Sade ones are available there. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/66 "2009-07-02T11:07:57Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I’m by no means an expert on the subject, but I didn’t think David Icke’s lizard people are no-so-veiled references to Jews, but rather his lizard people are actually lizard people, not metaphotical “nudge-nudge wink-wink ‘lizard’ people if you get what I mean” but very real physical lizards, with lizard tongues and all. > > I always thought his neo-nazi following was kind of funny… no this guy is not some kind canny Nazi anti-semite, wrapping his anti-semitism up in talk about “lizards”, he’s a crazy ex-snooker commentator who went on the Wogan show in torquoise shell-suit and claimed to be son-of-god, and thinks ACTUAL LIZARDS are running the world. Correct. Sometimes a Lizard Person is just a Lizard Person. He had a psychotic episode and is now as happily mad as the maddest of Mad Hatters. I think it’s cool that he’s managed to turn a severe and enduring mental illness into a profitable life-style rather than having to be hospitalized at tax-payer expense. ---
**Author:** ![sweeteviljesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sweeteviljesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweeteviljesus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/67 "2009-07-02T16:15:19Z")
For evil books, let me recommend Physical Interrogation Techniques by Richard M. Krousher. His real name was Tony DeBlase, a leather daddy from Oregon. Anyway, the book is a large collection of ideas for the amateur sadist. I bought it because it was the worst thing I ever read (in terms of evil, not suckitude). ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/68 "2009-07-02T17:06:59Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I just ordered _Hogg_ on Amazon. I mean, how could I not, after that description? Even with all that, I doubt it will be able to top _Crash_ in terms of sheer perversity, though it will probably be more “conventionally” transgressive. I’ve read **Crash**. I’ll be interested to hear how you think they compare in terms of perversity and literary worth. ---
**Author:** ![Reno\_Nevada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Reno\_Nevada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reno_Nevada)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/69 "2009-07-02T19:43:13Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > You might want to search for these books (especially the older ones) on [http://www.gutenberg.org/](http://www.gutenberg.org/) free online library. That way you can read them without having to buy them and put money into the hands of the author or their heirs or assignees. > > I know that The Clansman and several de Sade ones are available there. Just for the record, if a work is (legally) in Gutenberg, then it is in public domain, and any published copy does not give royalties to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/70 "2009-07-04T21:34:30Z")
As for Marx not being evil, read up on his private life. He treated people around him like shit. It’s a good bet that had he been in charge instead of Lenin or Stalin, things would have been just as bad. I tried to read _Mein Kampf_ once. It isn’t a continuous stream of hatred of the Jews and other people Schicklgruber thought inferior. He included so much boring minutiae about his political maneuverings I just gave up. As long as the Bible has been mentioned, I’ll throw in the Koran. > [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > You might want to search for these books (especially the older ones) on [http://www.gutenberg.org/](http://www.gutenberg.org/) free online library. That way you can read them without having to buy them and put money into the hands of the author or their heirs or assignees. > > I know that The Clansman and several de Sade ones are available there. If you’re old-fashioned, your local public library should have the dead tree versions. ---
**Author:** ![Avumede](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/avumede/32/7235_2.png) [@Avumede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avumede)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/71 "2009-07-05T04:33:41Z")
The most evil book I’ve ever read is [Les Chants de Maldoror](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Chants_de_Maldoror). Not evil in the sense of the author is a monster, though, like the suggestions above, just the book is suffused with terror, madness, and evil. I’d recommend it. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/72 "2009-07-05T06:12:56Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > he’s a crazy ex-snooker commentator who went on the Wogan show in torquoise shell-suit and claimed to be son-of-god, and thinks ACTUAL LIZARDS are running the world. To get a true idea of the magnitude of Icke’s nuttiness, I’d reccomend [Them: Adventures with Extremists](http://www.amazon.com/Them-Adventures-Extremists-Jon-Ronson/dp/0743233212/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246774001&sr=8-1) which is a hilarious series of interviews with the creme de la creme of the world’s whackos. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/73 "2009-07-05T06:46:07Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > You might want to search for these books (especially the older ones) on [http://www.gutenberg.org/](http://www.gutenberg.org/) free online library. That way you can read them without having to buy them and put money into the hands of the author or their heirs or assignees. > > I know that The Clansman and several de Sade ones are available there. The only de Sade ones I found there were in French. ---
**Author:** ![Neidhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Neidhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neidhart)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369/74 "2009-07-05T14:48:48Z")
[The Rising Tide of Color](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rising_Tide_of_Color_Against_White_World-Supremacy) by Lothrop Stoddard. [The Passing of the Great Race](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race) by Madison Grant. Both mainstream thinking in the 1920s! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-evil-books-should-i-read/501369.md?page=3)