# What exactly can we actually do to stop this charade? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 19, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985 "2020-11-19T17:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/21 "2020-11-20T01:12:26Z")
One thing that I’ve commented with people back home in PR, because they are having their own shyteshow with _their_ vote count, is that as usual, something that used to be just the way things are done is being approached from the angle of _“so, who can MAKE me do it like others used to?”_ Certification of count and canvass _always_ did take weeks to become truly official, as in signed off on and sealed by actual officers of the state. Just that historically, you’d get enough preliminary reports with clear numbers that you’d assume there would be no change on who won the post, just on by how much, and you could rely on the “call”. Now you’ve got the man at the Top claiming that no, that is wrong and it _ **must** _ mean something’s fishy. And yes, it is an effort to discredit the process. Stand by to see red states next year amending their election laws to flat out do away with anything but in-person ID’ed voting at minimal locations, and mandating a “call” for whoever’s leading 12 hours after poll closing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/22 "2020-11-20T01:18:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > …a conservative with Dick Cheney’s brain in Tom Selleck’s body. Paul Ryan’s been awfully quiet lately. Too quiet. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/23 "2020-11-20T13:24:28Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > It appears that Trump’s tantrum might kill tens of thousands of people since he is refusing to allow Biden in on his plans for vaccinating Americans. The Votemaster speculates that he doesn’t want it to appear that Biden rid us of the virus that Trump could not. He doesn’t want Biden to reap what he sowed with Operation Warp Speed. > [@Election Day \[Week\]\[Month\[s\]\] \[Year\] 2020 follow-along thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6563): > > Great idea, I think! How to Persuade Trump to Concede - One NY Times reader suggests turning the promising vaccine news into a victory lap for the president. "To the Editor: It seems to me that President Trump’s continued refusal to concede defeat is less a sinister plot to cling to power and more a determination to somehow declare victory even in defeat. If the recent vaccine news holds true, that will be an extraordinary accomplishment by our scientific community, and let’s give credit wher… ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/24 "2020-11-20T13:47:32Z")
> [@Salem](#): > > Rather than the toddler analogy, this is far more like a tenant facing eviction. Yes, you will eventually get them out, even if by force of the law, but they can do a helluva lot of damage to your property in the meantime that you will end up paying for. Where’s the country’s security deposit? Well, it’s both. It’s like a tenant with the mental age and immaturity of a toddler facing eviction. A lot of damage has already been done, and a lot more will be. My hope is that he is so obviously revealing his evil malignancy and so thoroughly discrediting himself that he’ll become irrelevant after this except as a history lesson, supported only by a tiny and dwindling base of the usual lunatics and bigots. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/25 "2020-11-20T14:16:04Z")
> [@Salem](#): > > Rather than the toddler analogy, this is far more like a tenant facing eviction. Yes, you will eventually get them out, even if by force of the law, but they can do a helluva lot of damage to your property in the meantime that you will end up paying for. Where’s the country’s security deposit? This is what concerns me. I think due process will prevail and Trump will have to exit the stage, or be dragged off it, but it’s all the things he’s actively fucking over right now, and for the next couple of months, that are the problem. He’s screwing over your country, your people. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/26 "2020-11-20T14:20:49Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > He’s screwing over your country, your people. True enough, but we’ve been screwed over by lots of presidents before. As long as he is forced out in January, we will survive. If he manages to burn down Fox News (already started - have you seen those ratings? ouch!) and the GOP (possible if only a fraction go along with the coup and Trump’s supporters turn on the ones that don’t) on his way out then all the better. The biggest long-term damage (assuming he eventually leaves) will be to the perceived integrity of our elections and the attempts to further restrict voting access in response. I don’t think those will go very far, as pretty strong majorities approve of more voting access. Right now, in the heat of this, only about half of Republicans are willing to say Trump won (with maybe 2/3 saying there were issues with the election). ---
**Author:** ![Scarlax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scarlax/32/2927_2.png) [@Scarlax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scarlax)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/27 "2020-11-20T14:28:42Z")
> a conservative with Dick Cheney’s brain in Tom Selleck’s body. Stop. I can only get so hard. ---
**Author:** ![Salem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Salem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salem)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985/28 "2020-11-20T14:40:19Z")
Here’s a disturbing article from Reuters about how Trump is trying to override the vote: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/explainer-can-trump-override-the-popular-vote/ar-BB1bcjWv?ocid=msedgntp](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/explainer-can-trump-override-the-popular-vote/ar-BB1bcjWv?ocid=msedgntp) And Tucker Carlson actually came down on one of Trump’s lawyers, according to this: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tucker-carlson-bashes-trump-attorney-sidney-powell-for-lack-of-evidence-in-fraud-claims-she-never-sent-us-any/ar-BB1bbWtj?ocid=msedgntp](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tucker-carlson-bashes-trump-attorney-sidney-powell-for-lack-of-evidence-in-fraud-claims-she-never-sent-us-any/ar-BB1bbWtj?ocid=msedgntp) I ask again, what can I/we do to get this maniac out? He is putting the country in danger from a security perspective, with the pandemic, and undermining the votes of 79.6 million people who lawfully voted him OUT. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-can-we-actually-do-to-stop-this-charade/925985.md?page=1)