# What exactly is good about Islam? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304 "2016-11-28T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/1 "2016-11-28T18:48:35Z")
Speaking in an objective sense, for those who argue that Islam is not a bad religion, and that it is peaceful and not a threat or danger, and not illogical, tell me, how is it good? Because it seems like many of the things people who don’t condemn Islam condemn are part of Islam. For example, the beating of women: the Quran says that hitting women is allowed if they do not obey your orders, which can include not leaving the house or speaking to certain people. An example of how it is illogical: fasting. It also claims that it is the only true religion and nonbelievers should be shunned, apostates killed. There are many other examples, but I just want to hear some of the reasoning behind your unfounded support for Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/2 "2016-11-28T18:52:43Z")
It’s no better or worse than the other Abrahamic religions, or much different from religions generally. Anything you criticize Islam for, you can also find in other religions. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/3 "2016-11-28T18:54:23Z")
I’m aware of that, but in this thread I’m criticizing Islam specifically. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/4 "2016-11-28T18:59:45Z")
Well actually you’ve stockpiled enough straw to keep us all warm through the winter. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/5 "2016-11-28T19:00:20Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I’m aware of that, but in this thread I’m criticizing Islam specifically. Alas, other people will continue to post their own opinions in “your” thread. There are some horrific things in the Old Testament. From the generally non-horrific Book of Psalms: > [@](#): > > 137 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion. > > 2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof. > > 3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. > > 4 How shall we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land? > > 5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. > > 6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy. > > 7 Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof. > > 8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. > > 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Fasting? Ever heard of Lent? Killing for the Faith? Pick up a history book to find Christians killing non-Christians. Or killing The Other Kind of Christian. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/6 "2016-11-28T19:00:36Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I’m aware of that, but in this thread I’m criticizing Islam specifically. Why? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/7 "2016-11-28T19:02:34Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > Speaking in an objective sense, for those who argue that Islam is not a bad religion, and that it is peaceful and not a threat or danger, and not illogical, tell me, how is it good? Because it seems like many of the things people who don’t condemn Islam condemn are part of Islam. > > For example, the beating of women: the Quran says that hitting women is allowed if they do not obey your orders, which can include not leaving the house or speaking to certain people. An example of how it is illogical: fasting. It also claims that it is the only true religion and nonbelievers should be shunned, apostates killed. > > There are many other examples, but I just want to hear some of the reasoning behind your unfounded support for Islam. I have no “unfounded support” for Islam or most any religion, and I believe the world would be a better place if we found more rational reasons to hate other people than that they worship wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/8 "2016-11-28T19:03:24Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I’m aware of that, but in this thread I’m criticizing Islam specifically. To what end? You appear to be singling out Islam as worth of special criticism and people are pointing out the poor logic of your argument. If you intend to criticize all religion you should just do so and not bring in what appears to be an additional agenda. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/9 "2016-11-28T19:05:45Z")
The reason I’m mainly criticizing Islam is because of Trump’s recent victory and many liberals have been claiming Muslims and Islam isn’t that bad of a religion.] Which is why I said this: > [@](#): > > many of the things people who don’t condemn Islam condemn are part of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/10 "2016-11-28T19:08:39Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > The reason I’m mainly criticizing Islam is because of Trump’s recent victory and many liberals have been claiming Muslims and Islam isn’t that bad of a religion. What does one of those have to do with the other? > [@Telemark](#): > > To what end? You appear to be singling out Islam as worth of special criticism and people are pointing out the poor logic of your argument. If you intend to criticize all religion you should just do so and not bring in what appears to be an additional agenda. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/11 "2016-11-28T19:09:32Z")
His claim that he would ban Muslims/people from Muslim regions has made a lot of liberals jump to the defense of Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/12 "2016-11-28T19:10:08Z")
Can’t seem to edit on the phone but Telemark 's quote does not belong there. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/13 "2016-11-28T19:12:12Z")
A lot of Americans believe it is un-American to discriminate against people for no other reason than their religion. > [@KimJongUn](#): > > His claim that he would ban Muslims/people from Muslim regions has made a lot of liberals jump to the defense of Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/14 "2016-11-28T19:13:09Z")
Their religion should be discriminated against, though, because of the many things I mentioned in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/15 "2016-11-28T19:16:15Z")
No. Violent or criminal people should be carefully guarded against. Violence and criminality do not map as easily to religious beliefs as you may think. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/16 "2016-11-28T19:16:56Z")
Ah, but you’re only focused on the bad things, so it would make the US so much safer if you banned everyone with similar beliefs. Unless you’re just looking for a scapegoat? I mean the US president would never do such a thing naturally. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/17 "2016-11-28T19:17:19Z")
I point you towards the many incidents of terrorism by Muslims recently. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/18 "2016-11-28T19:18:20Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Ah, but you’re only focused on the bad things, so it would make the US so much safer if you banned everyone with similar beliefs. > > Unless you’re just looking for a scapegoat? I mean the US president would never do such a thing naturally. Banned or force them to accept reality and logical thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/19 "2016-11-28T19:18:31Z")
Here are some of the “crimes” the Christian God personally [smites/kills people in the Bible](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people) for: - disobeying an order from God to impregnate one’s dead brother’s wife - being firstborn in Egypt - complaining about food and wanting to go back to Egypt for an easier life - despairing and complaining about the quality of bread - touching the Ark while trying to prevent it from tipping over - refusing to strike a prophet when ordered to do so by the prophet in question - mocking a bald man’s head ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/20 "2016-11-28T19:19:47Z")
Again, I never said I had no qualms with other religions, I made the thread about Islam because it’s a topical subject I’m interested in. It’s not like I hate Muslims for not being Christian. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304.md?page=2)