# What exactly is good about Islam? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304 "2016-11-28T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/21 "2016-11-28T19:20:26Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > Their religion should be discriminated against, though, because of the many things I mentioned in the OP. Cool cool. What religion are you? It’s only fair that if you are going to cherry pick bad stuff about a religious group you know little about we get to do the same to you. For the purpose of this discussion Atheist is a religious belief. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/22 "2016-11-28T19:20:50Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > Their religion should be discriminated against, though, because of the many things I mentioned in the OP. Are you familiar with the First Amendment? Do you know any Muslims personally? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/23 "2016-11-28T19:21:03Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > His claim that he would ban Muslims/people from Muslim regions has made a lot of liberals jump to the defense of Muslims. I have no interest in defending or supporting Islam per se, but it’s unAmerican, counterproductive, and wrong to persecute Muslims for being Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/24 "2016-11-28T19:22:17Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > Banned or force them to accept reality and logical thinking. How do you propose to force people to accept reality and logical thinking when you are apparently immune to their effects? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/25 "2016-11-28T19:24:03Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I point you towards the many incidents of terrorism by Muslims recently. And we counter that the great majority of mass killings in the US over the past decade were performed by white native born Christian men. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/26 "2016-11-28T19:24:08Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I point you towards the many incidents of terrorism by Muslims recently. I point you to the many incidents of terrorism committed by terrorists. Now in the past 15 years most have been done by muslims, however over those same 15 years billions of muslims did no such thing. Your problem isn’t with a religion, it’s with a small number of zealots and [zealots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)of anykind are the real threat. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/27 "2016-11-28T19:24:46Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Cool cool. What religion are you? > > It’s only fair that if you are going to cherry pick bad stuff about a religious group you know little about we get to do the same to you. > > For the purpose of this discussion Atheist is a religious belief. I’m atheist, not that it matters. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/28 "2016-11-28T19:25:53Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > I point you to the many incidents of terrorism committed by terrorists. Now in the past 15 years most have been done by muslims, however over those same 15 years billions of muslims did no such thing. > > Your problem isn’t with a religion, it’s with a small number of zealots and [zealots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)of anykind are the real threat. I point you towards the OP with examples of negative aspects of Islam that made terrorists like this possible. And negative aspects generally, not just to do with terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/29 "2016-11-28T19:26:34Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I’m atheist, not that it matters. Oh, I see. YOUR religion doesn’t matter, but someone else’s does? ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/30 "2016-11-28T19:26:58Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > How do you propose to force people to accept reality and logical thinking when you are apparently immune to their effects? Got any proof? ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/31 "2016-11-28T19:27:16Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > His claim that he would ban Muslims/people from Muslim regions has made a lot of liberals jump to the defense of Muslims. Sure, and if he were wanting to ban Catholics because they were Catholic, or Hindus because they were Hindu, a lot of liberals would jump to defend those groups too. Right now, of course, Trump isn’t attacking Catholicism or Hinduism, so there’s no particular need to defend members of those faiths from him. Again, most of what you criticize is common to other Abrahamic religions. Where do you think “spare the rod and spoil the child” comes from, e.g.? (Hint: look at Proverbs 13:24) Fasting has been common in Christianity for two thousand years–it’s not unique to Islam. Mardi Gras, e.g., and the entire Shrovetide season are still **very** widely celebrated as the feast before the ritual fasting of Lent; is that so very different from Ramadan and the feasts surrounding that period of ritual fasting? As to the relative worth of male and female, “for a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels of silver and that of a female at three shekels of silver” (Leviticus 27:6). [Now why does 3/5 sound familiar?] ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/32 "2016-11-28T19:27:29Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I’m atheist, not that it matters. You thus have a vested interest in the ideals of religious freedom and tolerance, as you yourself are a religious minority. I am an atheist as well, and were it not for said ideals, I’d probably be in a prison or conversion therapy for my heresies, instead of comfortable middle class and happy. So, for both our sakes, please don’t campaign for religious discrimination. I highly doubt you’d be pleased with the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/33 "2016-11-28T19:28:00Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Oh, I see. YOUR religion doesn’t matter, but someone else’s does? Atheism isn’t a religion. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/34 "2016-11-28T19:29:04Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > You thus have a vested interest in the ideals of religious freedom and tolerance, as you yourself are a religious minority. I am an atheist as well, and were it not for said ideals, I’d probably be in a prison or conversion therapy for my heresies, instead of comfortable middle class and happy. > > So, for both our sakes, please don’t campaign for religious discrimination. I highly doubt you’d be pleased with the outcome. I campaign for religious discrimination towards religions that should be discriminated. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/35 "2016-11-28T19:30:50Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > Atheism isn’t a religion. Granted, but you cherish the right to have no faith yet would deny civil rights to those who practice religions that you don’t approve of. So you still demand the right to your beliefs (or lack thereof) while wanting to deny the same to others. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/36 "2016-11-28T19:32:03Z")
Cool. You do know that the vast majority of investment scams and schemes are perpetrated by Lutherans, right? So we should ban immigrants from Germany until the financial situation is straightened out. ---
**Author:** ![KimJongUn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@KimJongUn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KimJongUn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/37 "2016-11-28T19:32:12Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Granted, but you cherish the right to have no faith yet would deny civil rights to those who practice religions that you don’t approve of. So you still demand the right to your beliefs (or lack thereof) while wanting to deny the same to others. If you’d bother to read the points I’ve made, the religion is just bad. It’s not a matter of disapproval. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/38 "2016-11-28T19:32:13Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I campaign for religious discrimination towards religions that should be discriminated. Are there any that shouldn’t be? Any you know plenty of religious people fervently oppose atheism, right? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/39 "2016-11-28T19:33:00Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I campaign for religious discrimination towards religions that should be discriminated. Enumerate them for us. In order of descending importance so that we may know where to begin. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304/40 "2016-11-28T19:33:07Z")
> [@KimJongUn](#): > > I’m atheist, not that it matters. See because when you don’t believe in anything you can really just do anything you want. That’s why so many serial killers are atheists. Also, pretty much every major dictator you can think of in the modern age as well as that guy who shot up the movie theater in Aurora Colorado. The evidence is clear. Lack of faith means you have no moral compass. And now they want to teach atheism in schools to recruit our kids to their horrible atheistic lifestyle. de Sade was an Atheist. So we all want our children to be deviants? Rapists! What’s good about being an Atheist? Honest question? There must be something right? Otherwise we should totally discriminate against them. [clarification] this is what your OP sound like when written by someone looking to persecute atheists. So as a fellow atheist who is ethnically jewish and has gotten this crap from both sides…think about the consequences of your words. [/clarification] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-good-about-islam/773304.md?page=3)