# What exactly is junior modding?

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**Created:** [December 27, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798 "2018-12-27T18:27:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/1 "2018-12-27T18:27:49Z")

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I reported a post that I believe was junior modded, specifically an admonition to follow the rules in GQ by another member. Nothing happened so maybe it wasn’t junior modding so I looked around at the stickies but didn’t see ANY definition of moddable junior modding. Did I miss it somewhere or is it a nebulous, “we know it when we see it”?

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**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/2 "2018-12-27T18:51:49Z")

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Stop asking questions.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/3 "2018-12-27T19:23:08Z")

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From the [Rules](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=864546):

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[li] **Junior Modding** – Do not Junior Mod. If you feel a post is in violation of the rules, please report the post and let a moderator deal with it. If you are not a moderator do not act as one.[/li][/quote]

I addressed this in a previous thread here:

> [@What constitutes Junior Modding?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-constitutes-junior-modding/783056/3):
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> _“I don’t wish to continue this line of discussion in this thread but will be glad to in a different one that is more subject specific.”_ - No problem, stating personal preference.
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> \*“You may not discuss this further in this thread on penalty of official sanction.” \*- Junior modding.
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> Things in between are context dependent. Generally a poster expressing their own desires without hint or implication they are imposing or enforcing some rule on other posters is okay. Even making requests is perfectly acceptable and common,\* “can we keep this thread about red hens, and not yellow or white ones, please?”\*

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/4 "2018-12-27T19:24:16Z")

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From the rules:

> [@](#):
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> Junior Modding – Do not Junior Mod. If you feel a post is in violation of the rules, please report the post and let a moderator deal with it. If you are not a moderator do not act as one.

While the rule is admittedly not very precise, basically junior modding is acting as a moderator when you are not one.

I saw your report. It was in reference to this post:

> [@](#):
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> Please stop spreading factually inaccurate information in GQ.

Since it was framed as a request rather than an instruction, it did not seem to me to rise to the level of junior modding.

On the other hand, you seem to be hijacking the thread to argue over a technical nitpick after other posters have informed you of the practical realities of what you suggested. This doesn’t seem to me to be very productive with respect to the OP of that thread. I’ve posted a note to discontinue the hijack.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/5 "2018-12-27T20:20:08Z")

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Furthermore, telling people to be factually accurate isn’t the province of the mods in the first place. Speaking for myself, I don’t know any more about the precise power structures between the Monarch of the UK and Parliament than anyone else does, and I suspect that the same is true of the other GQ mods. So if someone’s making a factually incorrect statement about the monarch and Parliament, I _can’t_ correct them. But if someone among the Teeming Millions does happen to know about that subject, then they can. That’s the essence of how GQ works.

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**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/6 "2018-12-27T20:21:33Z")

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Would it be possible to get a link to the thread in question? I tried searching for "  
Please stop spreading factually inaccurate information in GQ" but the search function doesn’t seem to work (HTTP error 500).

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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/7 "2018-12-27T20:30:20Z")

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[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867674](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=867674)

There ya go

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**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/8 "2018-12-27T20:34:00Z")

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Thanks!

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/9 "2018-12-27T20:55:04Z")

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Next time, “it’s near the end of the thread” would be helpful information to reduce eye glaze. No warning issued.

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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/10 "2018-12-27T23:32:41Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> Since it was framed as a request rather than an instruction, it did not seem to me to rise to the level of junior modding.

> [@Chronos](#):
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> Furthermore, telling people to be factually accurate isn’t the province of the mods in the first place. Speaking for myself, I don’t know any more about the precise power structures between the Monarch of the UK and Parliament than anyone else does, and I suspect that the same is true of the other GQ mods. So if someone’s making a factually incorrect statement about the monarch and Parliament, I _can’t_ correct them. But if someone among the Teeming Millions does happen to know about that subject, then they can. That’s the essence of how GQ works.

IMHO, I don’t think comments like “Please stop spreading factually inaccurate information in GQ” are even in the same category as moderator instructions. Such an interpretation is in my view a misreading of what is really meant, which is simply “what you’ve posted is wrong”. In this case, the comment came from a knowledgeable poster who had spent a good deal of time making detailed informative posts, and was getting a little frustrated with the other poster’s lack of subject knowledge. It was, nevertheless, a correction of fact, not literally a formal directive intended to govern the poster’s behavior.

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**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/11 "2018-12-28T06:38:53Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> In this case, the comment came from a knowledgeable poster who had spent a good deal of time making detailed informative posts, and was getting a little frustrated with the other poster’s lack of subject knowledge. It was, nevertheless, a correction of fact, not literally a formal directive intended to govern the poster’s behavior.

That’s the issue I had with his comment. Pedantically my statement was correct. The response was that the Monarch wouldn’t for political reasons but what I said was not factually incorrect.

Let’s put it in US terms. Suppose I state that legally Congress could issue letters of marque if we went to war with China. Is that factually incorrect? If you respond that Congress would never do that then you are correct to but does that make me wrong?

Specifically in that thread I was thinking of Winston Churchill being appointed PM in 1940. I don’t think he won any votes or had a majority of MPs formally saying “We want him” but he was clearly the best choice for forming a government so King George VI appointed him using the Royal Prerogative. That was what I had in mind and I think answers the OPs question at least in those unique circumstances.

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**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/12 "2018-12-28T06:58:02Z")

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This is ATMB, which isn’t the place for that kind of thing.

It’s the place for this kind.

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/13 "2018-12-28T12:07:13Z")

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Whelp, the OP has had his question answered, so we’ll just close this now.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/14 "2018-12-28T12:38:23Z")

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Go ahead, get it out of your system.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/15 "2018-12-28T14:50:19Z")

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> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> That’s the issue I had with his comment. Pedantically my statement was correct. The response was that the Monarch wouldn’t for political reasons but what I said was not factually incorrect.
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> Let’s put it in US terms. Suppose I state that legally Congress could issue letters of marque if we went to war with China. Is that factually incorrect? If you respond that Congress would never do that then you are correct to but does that make me wrong?
> 
> Specifically in that thread I was thinking of Winston Churchill being appointed PM in 1940. I don’t think he won any votes or had a majority of MPs formally saying “We want him” but he was clearly the best choice for forming a government so King George VI appointed him using the Royal Prerogative. That was what I had in mind and I think answers the OPs question at least in those unique circumstances.

**Moderator Note**

Let’s not re-argue the question here.

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**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/16 "2018-12-28T15:26:27Z")

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I’d just like to point out that if I ever start instructing people on what they should do…at my age it’s senior modding.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/17 "2018-12-28T15:33:28Z")

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> [@BubbaDog](#):
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> I’d just like to point out that if I ever start instructing people on what they should do…at my age it’s senior modding.

Maybe this will help you: While you may _ask_ posters to get off your lawn, you may not _tell_ them to get off your lawn.

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-junior-modding/826798/18 "2018-12-28T15:35:50Z")

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> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Maybe this will help you: While you may _ask_ posters to get off your lawn, you may not _tell_ them to get off your lawn.

Meh. They’re standing in dog shit, I’ll just keep quiet.
