# What exactly is this "New World Order"? And why is anybody against it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 15, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460 "2003-05-15T15:52:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/21 "2003-05-16T17:32:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Little Nemo \* > \*\*So the basic premise of these groups is that the United States government is a oppressive socialist tyranny that’s trampling on the rights of all good Americans … but they’d hate to lose it. \*\* No, their basic premise is that the reason the US government is an oppressive socialist tyranny is because it is part of the slide to prepare to hand us all over to the NWO. The reason they run around in the woods in military regalia is to prepare themselves for the big fight with the forces of the (in their minds) illegitimate US government and the UN. After which they re-establish the US government the way it was when first established and is supposed to be. The funny bit about this, to me at least, is that most of the founding fathers _were_ freemasons. How do you suppose masonic symbols wound up on the great seal? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/22 "2003-05-16T17:36:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Summertime \* > \*\*What would be wrong with a One World Government (because that is what would happen if there were a New World Order). > > Well, the guy in charge could very well be a dictator, and then how would we get free? Go to another country? > think about it. > > Yes, I believe very rich behind the scenes people are working for this-they finance it, and will probably succeed because most people are just too stupid and lazy to fight against it. \*\* That’s why we’ll have a world wide democracy with an internationally elected world president. Each country can still have its own little president for its own little petty affairs, but each national leader would still be subordinate to the Worldwide Government. I hope the first world prez is a gay, black, Jewish, French woman. btw, **Summertime** , do you actually have any evidence that any “very rich behind the scenes people” are working towards this end? What is their motive. ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/23 "2003-05-16T18:03:54Z")
New World Order were an eighties band formed by the survivig members of Joy Divison, who wrote such hits as “Blue Monday”, wqhich was te biggest selling 7 1/2" record of all time. Th-…, oops that’s New Order. New World Order were a sub-divison of the now defunct WCW wrestling franchise. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/24 "2003-05-17T00:45:30Z")
I thought they were rappers. Oh, wait, sorry. I was thinking of N.W.A. Seriously, I think there’s the “new world order” that Bush mentioned in a speech, and then there’s the New World Order of the conspiracy theorists. Isn’t it something to do with the Illuminati? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/25 "2003-05-17T03:30:16Z")
Years before I had heard this phrase as the chief bugbear of the lunatic far right. Then when Bush I started proclaiming it, I couldn’t believe my ears. Did this man have no common sense? Why would he deliberately feed the lunatics? So either he, and the whole rest of his administration, had no clue about the ulterior significance of the phrase … or he was deliberately poking a stick into a hornet’s nest. Even though I have to concur with **Spavined Gelding** ’s analysis that it’s just another empty advertising slogan. If it hadn’t already been the bugbear of the tinfoil hat brigade, it would have been forgotten by now. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/26 "2003-05-17T04:25:43Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s why we’ll have a world wide democracy with an internationally elected world president. Each country can still have its own little president for its own little petty affairs, but each national leader would still be subordinate to the Worldwide Government. So we’d end up with the Chinese running the world. And we’ve all seen how pro-human rights they are. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/27 "2003-05-17T05:04:59Z")
Just as a bit of fun happy thoughts of what fringe conspiracy groups can do: [The Covenant, Sword and the Arm of the Lord](http://204.71.60.38/h_learnmore/cbwtutorial/chapter_05_01.html) Anyone say WMD? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/28 "2003-05-17T05:09:49Z")
**Little Nemo** , I was kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460/29 "2003-05-17T05:35:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MC Master of Cermonies \* > \*\*New World Order were an eighties band formed by the survivig members of Joy Divison, who wrote such hits as “Blue Monday”, wqhich was te biggest selling 7 1/2" record of all time. Th-…, oops that’s New Order. New World Order were a sub-divison of the now defunct WCW wrestling franchise. \*\* New World Order by Ministry. [N.W.O.](http://uk.towerrecords.com/product.asp?pfid=1041274) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-is-this-new-world-order-and-why-is-anybody-against-it/175460.md?page=1)