J is cooler.
As I said the brssts wouldn’t be necessary but it would add to the look, and I doubt anyone would take issue with it.
Now if there were some major history of wearing breasts as a means to degrade women … Probably would be more sensitivity
According to this, wigs are off limits if they are outside your ethnic group.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.refinery29.com/amp/en-us/2018/09/210772/black-halloween-costume-offensive-rules-appropriation&ved=2ahUKEwi9lbyE1qDgAhWGiOAKHS2aClMQFjAKegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2WpmEPW5Dl5Xg-qMWaIhOK&cf=1
Traditional native American outfits also seem to be completely out of the question these days.
Though 25 years ago kids in head dresses was commonplace.
And guess what head dresses are not innate.
Just a style worn by Indian chiefs.
Doubt I could get away with that even and my great grandmother was fully native. In fact 3 of my great grandparents were. I just don’t identify native because they had very little influence in my cultural upbringing.
Because there’s two different conversations being conflated here:
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Is a white person, in modern-day America, made up to be a black person, offensive?
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Is dressing up as another race inherently offensive?
Some people are responding to question 1 with “race-switching would be unnecessary/stupid/racist in any case”, and thus you have people segueing to question 2.
If we are barring wigs, skin color, and traditional dress now, how long before its completely impractical to dress outside your ethnic group ?
And won’t this just be fantasy segregation
Again, I’m set on yeah don’t paint your skin because of the history. I’m just trying to explore opinions on some of this other stuff to get a better understanding of it all.
I’m pretty sure I can find a website calling Obama sleeper terrorist gay anti-vax Muslim. But that doesn’t mean a whole lot of people believe he is.
Oh I know, but really take a look at a bunch of articles and guides along those lines.
They mostly say the same thing.
I’m with you, wigs…who cares as long as it isn’t purposely a mockery.
It does kind if seem we are headed that way though.
I’m trying to sort out what is sensationalism and what isn’t really.
Even then there’s gotta be exceptions, like if I’m wearing a carrot top or don king im probably mocking the person.
If you work for it, you can find a blog out there somewhere that will tell you that anything that you want to do is off limits. So, if you are basing your ethics on what some blogger out there says, then I guess you are going to run into some rather restrictive and contradictory rules, like your agreement that a white person making tacos will be racist in a decade or so. It won’t be, sure there may be some blogger out there that says so, but it’s as good a chance that they are trolling the SJW’s than they actually are SJW’s, and in either case, it’s not going to make it into mainstream thought.
Most of this stuff isn’t all that hard, and if you mess up, a mea culpa is usually going to be more than enough. If you double down, and try to play like you don’t understand why mocking another ethnic group for its physical characteristics can offend, then you will offend more.
Quite a lot of native dress has cultural and religious significance that places it into the “don’t wear this if you aren’t this” category. Not to mention that pretty much NO costume is in any way historically or culturally correct and there is no such thing as a generic “Indian” costume. The First Families are a hugely diverse group of nations with their own languages and traditions and dress and trying to make up some generic “Looky me, I’mma Injun!” costume fucking sucks. Don’t do that.
Like dressing in generic military camo is okay but fuck you if you wear a dress uniform and add a bunch of medals you didn’t earn. Dressing up as the pope will get your ass kicked in some places–because a lot of people have a ton of reverence for the pope and don’t appreciate some rando appropriating the dress and demeanor of the head of their church.
There’s a difference between cosplay and mockery and if you go too far in the wrong direction it’s not gonna go well for you.
My grandson will be thrilled to know that, thanks!
I’d imagine it’s somewhat dependant on tour audience too. If you’re going to a bar where nobody knows who you are it’s probably easier to offend than if you’re in your house with a bunch of people who know you. Regardless of their ethnicity
It ran into trouble on Aus TV. But that was mostly because (a) we had an American guest on the show, and (b) it mocked an American who had recently died.
Even in Aus we know better than to speak ill of the dead, but in that particular case it hadn’t really registered with Australians that the dead entertainer was actually a real person, respected by people who worked with him. Australians really mostly thought of him as a fictional character who we saw on TV.
I actually had a tribal card, went the sweat lodges and that for a while.
I remember saying something about Indians at a bar at one point and being corrected by a black guy bc “indians” was offensive.
He was a little embarrassed when I showed him that ID card, but then I was embarrassed at having to show it and realized, hey I’m white, might as well face it.
Early twenties lol
Complicated question, in some ways. Very easy in others.
Most blackface is offensive, no question about it. Just have a look at the examples at the end of Spike Lee’s Bamboozled or at the online Jim Crow Museum ( Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia ) or at old minstrel acts on YouTube. It’s cringeworthy, no doubt about it. And it isn’t excused by “everyone was doing it” or “It was the style”. There were plenty of objections and protests at the time to show people that black people found all of this insensitive. (I’ve just written a book about a turn-of-the-century amusement park, and this kind of blackface was amazingly common there every year except the last one.) Fortunately, the word has finally gotten out. Unfortunately, some people still don’t get it, or think they’re too “cool” for it – Maybe they feel it’s OK if you treat it ironically. But it’s still offensive. I’ve been to costume parties where people actually showed up in blackface, which shocked me. According to James Loewen, a college in Vermont had a yearly minstrel show into the 1960s. Black students protested, and it finally started sinking in, but they tried to salvage the show by changing it to literal “greenface” – using green makeup in place of black. But it didn’t really fool anyone – the Greenface characters were stil poking fun at the exaggerated characteristics and stereotypes of black people. You can’t hide blackface by making it green.
There’s only one case where I’m willing to cut some slack – dramas like Cloud Atlas, where the point is to show the fundamental connectedness and brotherhood of humankind, had actors of African and European ancestry made up as Asian characters, and actors of Asian ancestry playing characters of European extraction. The didn’t go as far as having actors of European ancestry playing characters of African background, or vice-versa. I think they knew better than to push those particular buttons. But one of these days I could see that, if the part was not stereotyped, poking fun at one ethnic or cultural group, not belittling anyone.
Well, to be fair I’m “hung up” on all ways that a cosplayer looks wildly different from the character they ar potraying. It isn’t a complex issue–the less you look like the character you are cosplaying, the less accurate a cosplay it is.
If you weigh 98 pounds you won’t make a very convincing Hercules and if you weigh 350 maybe you better go for Sumo wrestler instead of ninja.
Yeah, “disrespect for Michael Jackson” wasn’t the problem that people had with that skit. (There is a GD thread about it.)
I know this is a hijack, but why should “convincing” be important to a fun hobby?
Or do you only consider professional recreators to be legitimate cosplayers?
And if I am a 98 lb. fan of Kevin Sorbo? I am not allowed to put on some leather pants and make grunting noises?
I’m overweight, so the only thing I can show my appreciation of is a sport that is known to require some extreme physique?
Are you also saying that if you are a woman, then you should stick to female characters?
It’s a costume, it’s not a production. The point is to enjoy yourself and show off your favorite characters. It’s not about accuracy.
If I put on a straw hat, red shirt, blue shorts, and a yellow sash, then if you have seen One Piece, you know who I am portraying, no matter my gender or skin tone. If I really want to sell it, I’ll get a long rubber arm. If you have not seen One Piece, you will not know who I am portraying, not matter how “accurate” I am.