# What executive orders could Obama give vis-a-vis gun control? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665 "2013-01-09T20:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/61 "2013-01-10T19:16:01Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > That’s not registration. That’s storage requirements. One compliments the other. If We KNOW who has them, then we know WHO should be storing them. If the gun turns up somewhere else, unreported, then we have a name and address to look into. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/62 "2013-01-10T19:20:02Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > One compliments the other. If We KNOW who has them, then we know WHO should be storing them. If the gun turns up somewhere else, unreported, then we have a name and address to look into. Then folks should be talking about BOTH of these requirements at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/63 "2013-01-10T19:22:29Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Then folks should be talking about BOTH of these requirements at the same time. Many of us are. Not everyone in favor of control is a strident gun grabber. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/64 "2013-01-10T19:25:00Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > How do you think that registration will reduce gun crime. Do you feel that criminals will willingly register firearms? Will it reduce crimes of passion? People are less likely to use firearms in crimes when they know the firearms are linked to them. It’s pretty obvious, really. Will it prevent all criminal shootings? Will all guns be registered? Of course not. Over time, however, it will reduce the number of illegal firearms. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/65 "2013-01-10T19:35:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > People are less likely to use firearms in crimes when they know the firearms are linked to them. It’s pretty obvious, really. Will it prevent all criminal shootings? Will all guns be registered? Of course not. Over time, however, it will reduce the number of illegal firearms. How often does a criminal leave the gun at the scene of the crime? Pretty rare I would imagine. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/66 "2013-01-10T20:15:51Z")
Post 37 - > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You understand that people can want things despite there being zero chance they will happen, right? I’d like to be a Supreme Court justice, but I would not suggest that there is a credible threat that same will occur. > > The POTUS issued an executive order implementing a congressional enactment. Interpol had no US facilities until 2004, so there was no reason to accord them a privilege against search and seizure. The International Red Cross and the IMF also exempt from such laws. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > They never did (other than a short window between 2004 and 2010). See post 37. _President Ronald Reagan issued EO 12424 in **1983** which granted “International Organization” status upon INTERPOL, but specifically excluded the immunities granted under **Section 2(c)**, 2(d), Sections 3,4,5, and 6_. (Section 2(c) being the section that pertains to “search and seizure”.) > **[INTERPOL and EO 13524 amending EO12425 | Canada Free Press](https://canadafreepress.com/article/interpol-and-eo-13524-amending-eo12425)** > > INTERPOL and EO 13524 amending EO12425, President Obama's Executive Order I’m not sure what you consider “US facilities”? According to an EO, I see that in 1983, it’s specifically mentioned that INTERPOL did NOT have an immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws. I also see that in 2009, INTERPOL was granted immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws by Presidential Executive Order. ---
**Author:** ![MrTuffPaws](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MrTuffPaws](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrTuffPaws)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/67 "2013-01-10T20:20:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > …however, it will reduce the number of illegal firearms. How do you figure that? Do you have any proof of your assumptions? ---
**Author:** ![sweeteviljesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sweeteviljesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweeteviljesus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/68 "2013-01-10T20:25:41Z")
[John Avlon’s column on CNN today](http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/opinion/avlon-obama-gun-control/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) states some areas that would be subject to executive order and that would be amenable to groups like the NRA. FYI, I started this thread to search for possibilities in response to links my wife keeps sending me about Obama using executive orders from various loony websites that she keeps reading. I was unaware of any unilateral action he could take that would ban guns. No one can point to anything except for that clause in the NFA which I am not sure he has the power to reinterpret. BTW, the blood of children is not on my hands. I have never shot a child (or anyone else for that matter). ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/69 "2013-01-10T22:00:23Z")
Well now, [here’s a “reasonable” reaction](http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/unhinged-tactical-response-ceo-threatens-sta) to potential executive orders from the CEO of a weapons and tactical training company in Tennessee: > [@](#): > > “Vice President [Joe] Biden is asking the president to bypass Congress and use executive privilege, executive order to ban assault rifles and to impose stricter gun control,” Yeager explained in his video message. “Fuck that.” > > “I’m telling you that if that happens, it’s going to spark a civil war, and I’ll be glad to fire the first shot. I’m not putting up with it. You shouldn’t put up with it. And I need all you patriots to start thinking about what you’re going to do, load your damn mags, make sure your rifle’s clean, pack a backpack with some food in it and get ready to fight.” > > The CEO concluded: “I’m not fucking putting up with this. I’m not letting my country be ruled by a dictator. I’m not letting anybody take my guns! If it goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people.” As noted in earlier posts, he’s wrong regarding Obama’s ability to ban assault rifles or to do much about guns at all via executive order (I trust you’re as shocked as I am). The only reason people don’t laugh at and dismissing ridiculous clowns like Yeager and Adam Jones is that they’re armed to the teeth and easily riled. Makes you understand how common pro-gun cliches like “an armed society is a polite society” are really Orwellian threats. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/70 "2013-01-10T22:29:08Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Well yes, it’s their property, they can decide who comes on or set conditions for it such as no guns. But why should a cop be allowed to trespass? If he has no warrant or other reason to be on the property in his official capacity, letting him ignore the owner’s property rights by carrying a gun there is just creating a supra-citizen class with special rights. You’re arguing with the wrong person. As far as I can tell, if a cop is in a business on non-official business, there is no reason that the shop owner could not ask them to leave just the same as anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![sweeteviljesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sweeteviljesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweeteviljesus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/71 "2013-01-10T22:43:46Z")
> [@CJJ](#): > > Adam Jones Who is Adam Jones? ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/72 "2013-01-10T23:11:52Z")
> [@sweeteviljesus](#): > > Who is Adam Jones? Oops, brain fart there–make that [Alex Jones](http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/the-deport-piers-morgan-creator-blows-up-on-cnn-153577.html). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/73 "2013-01-10T23:43:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I’m not sure what you consider “US facilities”? > > According to an EO, I see that in 1983, it’s specifically mentioned that INTERPOL did NOT have an immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws. > > I also see that in 2009, INTERPOL was granted immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws by Presidential Executive Order. “US facilities” are “facilities in the US”. I’m not sure how else you would interpret that phrase. Until 2004, Interpol had no physical office located in the US. Thus, there was no reason to exempt them from anything; it would be like exempting Martians from US search and seizure laws. As of 2004, Interpol [created a UN liason office at the UN HQ in New York](http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/interpol.asp), which made it necessary to exempt them like every other NGO with a physical presence in the US that might be searched. The EO was simply updated to reflect that. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/74 "2013-01-11T02:44:01Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > “US facilities” are “facilities in the US”. I’m not sure how else you would interpret that phrase. Until 2004, Interpol had no physical office located in the US. Thus, there was no reason to exempt them from anything; it would be like exempting Martians from US search and seizure laws. As of 2004, Interpol [created a UN liason office at the UN HQ in New York](http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/interpol.asp), which made it necessary to exempt them like every other NGO with a physical presence in the US that might be searched. The EO was simply updated to reflect that. Reagan issued the original INTERPOL EO in **1983**. What US facilities did INTERPOL have or need in **1983**? INTERPOL records could be searched and seized IF a U.S. court ordered it. The physical “facilities” or “buildings” rented, borrowed, or owned by INTERPOL wouldn’t ordinarily be ordered into in a courtroom. INTERPOL records and files existed in **1983**. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/75 "2013-01-11T03:00:39Z")
I am starting think you are being deliberately dense. Do you know what _jurisdiction_ is? ---
**Author:** ![AlohaBear32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@AlohaBear32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlohaBear32)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/76 "2013-01-11T03:21:07Z")
> [@CJJ](#): > > Well now, [here’s a “reasonable” reaction](http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/unhinged-tactical-response-ceo-threatens-sta) to potential executive orders from the CEO of a weapons and tactical training company in Tennessee: > > As noted in earlier posts, he’s wrong regarding Obama’s ability to ban assault rifles or to do much about guns at all via executive order (I trust you’re as shocked as I am). > > The only reason people don’t laugh at and dismissing ridiculous clowns like Yeager and Adam Jones is that they’re armed to the teeth and easily riled. Makes you understand how common pro-gun cliches like “an armed society is a polite society” are really Orwellian threats. Wow… You know, this is getting ridiclous…The Dixie Chick say ONE comment that could be interpreted as anti Bush and they get Tarred and Feathered and have whole CD’S dedicated to hating them…but it’s okay for CEO’S and Nutjobs to OPENLY threaten civil war and call The President a Dictator (among other things)…and they get routiunely cheered and network shows… Man screw the Tea Party…I want My Country Back, you know the one where The President is respected (whoever it is) and guys like the one you posted weren’t CEO’S, They were locked in padded cells… This coming from a soon to be registered firearm owner… ---
**Author:** ![sweeteviljesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sweeteviljesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweeteviljesus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/77 "2013-01-11T04:26:13Z")
You think that guy isn’t being vilified? _I_ hate him, or at least I wish he would stay off my side. Also, I know you know that CEO is just his title by default. It’s not like he’s head of Exxon or anything. I don’t even think he’s anything but a blowhard. Rob ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/78 "2013-01-11T06:23:18Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I am starting think you are being deliberately dense. Do you know what _jurisdiction_ is? Jurisdiction is the official authority to make legal decisions and judgments. Let me cover the same ground again. In 1983 Reagan issued an EO that allowed INTERPOL to operate within the U.S. and specifically denied to INTERPOL any immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws. You point out that in 2004, Interpol created a UN liason office at the UN HQ in New York. For 26 years, INTERPOL did not have immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws. In 2009, Obama issued an EO that granted INTERPOL immunity from U.S. search and seizure laws. For the 3 years since Obama’s INTERPOL EO, INTERPOL has been immune from U.S. search and seizure laws. It’s up to INTERPOL to decide if they want to share any of their information/data with anyone who asks, including U.S. courts. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/79 "2013-01-11T06:46:36Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Yes because no self respecting burglar would ever steal a revolver or pump shotgun. Doesn’t matter anyway because evil semi-autos are the only type of weapons one can commit crimes with anyway, right? So I destroy your argument and you shift the goalposts? I’m sorry, I thought we were arguing in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665/80 "2013-01-11T07:42:12Z")
> [@sweeteviljesus](#): > > According to Biden, Obama is exploring the use of executive orders in order to somehow reign in gun violence. What options are open to him (that wouldn’t be enjoined in two seconds)? > > Thanks, > Rob The art of politics. Any infringement of the second amendment does not have the juice to make it through the house and senate. Too many memories of mid term massacres after the last time, but Obama has the dubious distinction of being the guy in the seat at the moment and must do something. That means a token ban on something, and more on the mental health side of the argument. So he gets to wave his bloody shirt at congress, telling them, he did his part, now step up your game. I can see Obama wanting to do something by executive fiat, but have been talked out of it by cooler heads after those kids were killed. Infringement has traction at the moment, but it has a short window of opertunity. That means its going to be smoke and mirrors by all concerned, each blaming the other that they were the ones that killed anything remotely concerning infringement. Declan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-executive-orders-could-obama-give-vis-a-vis-gun-control/646665.md?page=5)