# What film was most diminished by it's sequels? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109 "2018-06-14T20:41:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/101 "2018-06-20T19:34:00Z")
> [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](#): > > I agree with you, wonky. I gave up on the Star Wars franchise after the abomination known as Jar-Jar Binks. I can tell you the exact moment the movies started to go downhill: when Obi-Wan says “There is **The Other** ” in _ **Empire** _. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/102 "2018-06-20T21:37:12Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I can tell you the exact moment the movies started to go downhill: when Obi-Wan says “There is **The Other** ” in _ **Empire** _. :mad: You must of seen the alternate version with young Leia walking into Han’s classroom at the end. “There is another.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/103 "2018-06-20T21:55:13Z")
Also, that was Yoda’s line, not Obi-Wan. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/104 "2018-06-20T22:40:34Z")
Everything after Terminator 2 didn’t need to happen. The original ending could’ve done a great job of wrapping up the series. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JgUsMkbipQQ/hqdefault.jpg "Terminator 2 (Special Edition Alternative End)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgUsMkbipQQ) ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/105 "2018-06-21T11:48:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I thought of a good example this morning: _Trainspotting_. > > In the original movie, Renton was a heroin addict whose social circle consisted of other heroin addicts. Everyone in the movie was shown to be following a self-destructive path to an early death. Most of the characters avoided thinking about this by not thinking about the future. Renton was shown to be different; he could see he was heading towards an early death and wanted to change. He tried to quit heroin but his friends led him back into it. So at the end, he betrayed and abandoned his friends. He knew it was an immoral act but he justified it by thinking it was the only way he could save his own life and that his friends, by their own choices, were not going to be able to save themselves and would take him down with them. > > Then a sequel, _T2 Trainspotting_, was made twenty-one years later. I’ll admit I haven’t seen the sequel but the trailer reveals one of the key facts of the movie; the characters from the first movie are still around twenty years later. That fact alone invalidates the first movie. It means Renton was wrong. His friends were doomed to die; they apparently either quit using heroin or they have been using it for twenty years without dying. Either way, Renton wasn’t facing the extreme choice that he felt justified his act. While you’re not wrong that Trainspotting 2 does kind of diminish the first film, it’s not really for the reasons you’ve suggested. It’s also much darker and hopeless than the original. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/106 "2018-06-22T15:12:26Z")
I deliberately avoided Blade Runner 2049 because I thought it would diminish the original - I don’t suppose that counts. However, my main purpose for posting is because I just happened across a related phrase that I had never seen before: to nuke the fridge. In [Jumping the shark - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark) j ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/107 "2018-06-22T18:03:51Z")
_Jurassic Park_. I \*loved \*the original. It’s one of my favorite movies. The sequels have been going increasingly downhill ever since, and _Jurassic World_ was dumb beyond belief. I don’t have high expectations for the new _Jurassic World_ film. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/108 "2018-06-26T18:52:10Z")
Rocky? The only Rocky movies I care about are 3 and 4! ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/109 "2018-06-26T18:53:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Also, that was Yoda’s line, not Obi-Wan. And it’s “another” or maybe “an other” not “the other”. ---
**Author:** ![Wallaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/dc4da7/32.png) [@Wallaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallaby)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/110 "2018-06-26T23:17:47Z")
Supposedly Caddyshack is the Gold Standard for ‘Great Original - worst-ever sequel’. It is certainly extremely dire. Major League was a very funny movie. It used an excellent deadpan, self-aware delivery mode for the majority of its jokes.The sequel had some good lines, but the delivery of those lines changed. The jokes seemed far more forced, more un-necessarily verbose, and seemed to carry ‘explanations’. Simple example: New-Dumb-Country-Boy-Catcher - ‘I bet you’re wondering how I got the nickname Rube, huh’? Ok - simple obvious, throw-away line to establish character IQ. We all know the gag. But then, the director follows up by having the character Rube is talking to respond "No. I’ve got a pretty good idea how that happened’. Everything is wrong - timing, continuation, unnecessary forcing of an secondary punch-line that adds nothing to the joke we already got. The whole movie has moments like that. The 3rd installment is in the ‘never happened’ class. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109/111 "2018-06-27T23:21:01Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > _Jurassic Park_. I \*loved \*the original. It’s one of my favorite movies. The sequels have been going increasingly downhill ever since, and _Jurassic World_ was dumb beyond belief. I don’t have high expectations for the new _Jurassic World_ film. They had me suspend my disbelief when they said the T-Rex couldn’t see you if you stood still. Thus, standing still can save your life. Then they tell me that it track it’s young over miles by smell. If it could smell traces of it’s baby over miles of terrain, then it can smell me pissing my pants when I’m standing right in front of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-film-was-most-diminished-by-its-sequels/816109.md?page=5)