# What finally was the proof concerning Umkay? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 1, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688 "2012-12-01T16:38:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/21 "2012-12-02T13:37:26Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Oh, why oh why did I go back to look at those threads. Feelin’ so much second-hand embarrassment right now, I could choke. Let’s just lock this thread and stop bringin’ that shit up, man. At least, let’s not bring this up while we still have threads on the front pages of this forum where we claim to all have IQ’s over 160 and SATS of 2400. I OTOH enjoyed going back to those threads, particularly the [parts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=656188&page=10)where I was being called an asshole for being totally right about \*\*Umkay \*\*by the people who were heaping praise on themselves for being totally wrong because their utter wrongness proved that they were good people. This shit never gets old! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/22 "2012-12-02T13:45:53Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > How difficult would it be to sky dive as a quad? > > **Capt** One of my friends, who is a quad, broke his hip tandem skydiving. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/23 "2012-12-02T13:59:11Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > I OTOH enjoyed going back to those threads, particularly the [parts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=656188&page=10)where I was being called an asshole for being totally right about \*\*Umkay \*\*by the people who were heaping praise on themselves for being totally wrong because their utter wrongness proved that they were good people. This shit never gets old! When one **eats crow** when they are wrong, it’s a sign of humility. When one **crows** when others are wrong… not so much. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/24 "2012-12-02T14:40:57Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > When one **eats crow** when they are wrong, it’s a sign of humility. > When one **crows** when others are wrong… not so much. > > Just sayin’. The parts I most enjoy are not where I’m proven right (I kinda knew that all along) but the parts where the people who made idiots of themselves defending **Umkay** ’s authenticity are explaining why they were right to do so, and still do so, even after being proven false. I like this argument in particular: “Her posts were so well-written and so engaging, I’m angry that she has been outed as a troll, and I still wish she hadn’t been.” IOW, lie to me! Please! That is some funny, funny shit. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/25 "2012-12-02T16:15:04Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Long story short: this board is easy to troll . . . What board isn’t easy to troll when the members, at least initially, take people at their word? Justice prevails when they play their little troll games. Slowly sometimes, but it prevails. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/26 "2012-12-02T20:47:37Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > The parts I most enjoy are not where I’m proven right (I kinda knew that all along) but the parts where the people who made idiots of themselves defending **Umkay** ’s authenticity are explaining why they were right to do so, and still do so, even after being proven false. Well in fairness, we should present their arguments. From your link: > [@I Pit NotOkay for convincing the entire board umkay had died!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-notokay-for-convincing-the-entire-board-umkay-had-died/626044/458): > > There’s a big difference between being gullible and wanting to see real proof of something before jumping all over someone. That seems like a reasonable position, speaking as someone who didn’t read Umkay’s thread until well after his/her alleged resurrection. It is appropriate to be polite, pending solid evidence. Some cannot grok to this. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/27 "2012-12-02T21:27:25Z")
I just don’t understand certain people misusing the words douche or asshole, as if it means someone who is being nice when the speaker is the one being rude. It’s like they get the meaning completely backwards ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/28 "2012-12-02T22:28:38Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I just don’t understand certain people misusing the words douche or asshole There are seventeen words I never misuse. Two are “douche” and “asshole”. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/29 "2012-12-03T06:46:57Z")
**BigT** aims to misuse at least one word a day. It’s a hobby of his. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/30 "2012-12-03T11:26:57Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [Ask the guy with Locked In Syndrome](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=539322) > **blinkie** is still a member in good **standing**. (bolding mine) _wince_ Dude, unfortunate choice of words there! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/31 "2012-12-03T14:32:06Z")
The subject is the evidence that led to **Umkay** being banned. Please refrain from sniping at each other about your behavior in those threads or anywhere on the boards. Y’all know where the Pit is and what it’s for. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/32 "2012-12-03T15:09:04Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I first read that wrong. And feel the need to apologize. You inserted a comma, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/33 "2012-12-03T16:27:51Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I first read that wrong. And feel the need to apologize. I an unmoved by your apology. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/34 "2012-12-03T18:02:29Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Do I even have to explain this one? Warning issued. He spelled everybody as “E’RYBODY”? I’d give him a warning too. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/35 "2012-12-03T18:33:01Z")
I believe there was also some thoughts that the troll playing **Umkay** had also submitted a question and gotten picked up by the Savage Love column? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/36 "2012-12-03T18:35:31Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > I believe there was also some thoughts that the troll playing **Umkay** had also submitted a question and gotten picked up by the Savage Love column? Yes, that was a couple of weeks after **umkay** was banned. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/37 "2012-12-03T19:25:30Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > He spelled everybody as “E’RYBODY”? I’d give him a warning too. Right. It should be “ERR’BODY”. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/38 "2012-12-03T19:50:44Z")
Exactamately. Now I have the Homestar Runner song in my head. Err’body err’body! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/39 "2012-12-04T16:07:22Z")
“[Munchausen by Internet,](http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-lying-disease/Content?oid=15337239)” Interesting article that may apply to our friend. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688/40 "2012-12-05T02:51:23Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > “[Munchausen by Internet,](http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-lying-disease/Content?oid=15337239)” > > Interesting article that may apply to our friend. From the article: Like other forms of the disorder, Feldman explains that Munchausen by internet usually manifests in the late teens or early 20s. It’s often preempted or accompanied by other psychological issues, most commonly personality disorders. And it predominantly affects women. “I’m not clear on all the reasons for that, but it’s a pretty consistent finding,” Feldman explains. “And many of them have medical or nursing training… Their fascination with medical issues is expressed in their career choices.” The lies escalate slowly… The lies are intricate, detailed, engrossing. Terrible setbacks are followed by miraculous recoveries. And if someone else becomes the center of attention, their condition will dramatically worsen or they will become the victim of a sudden tragic event. …Some people even invent tertiary characters—friends, siblings, a concerned mother—to jump into internet threads and corroborate their stories. The lies slowly escalate, pile up, and create an improbable whole. Then one day, you realize you’re friends with a 15-year-old chronic migraine sufferer online who also happens to be a fourth-year medical school student who plays drums in a band at night—despite those crippling migraines—to pay his med school tuition because his deaf mother and alcoholic stepfather have no interest in his baby-genius education. … And on that day, you feel like a total schmuck. This schmucky feeling is a byproduct of the internet. Our natural bullshit detectors are muted online; we can’t rely on facial expressions and other physical cues for sensing lies, and studies suggest that without those cues, we’re prone to generously fill in the blanks. There’s more at the recommended article, including the motives. Basically, there are two: narcissists like the attention, sadists like inflicting harm. The latter are properly known as trolls; I suspect Umkay enjoyed the attention. I’ll note also that the narcissist interviewed in the article was a queen of drama. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-finally-was-the-proof-concerning-umkay/642688.md?page=1)