# What happened in Sweden? (Trump campaign rally statement) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 19, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219 "2017-02-19T14:13:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/41 "2017-02-20T23:06:57Z")
And then, just to make my frustration complete, [something does happen in Sweden](http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/opptoyer-i-stockholm-og-politiet-har-avfyrt-varselskudd--nbspdet-ser-ut-som-en-krigssone-her/67274529). Edit: The bastard is going to be smug about it, isnt he? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/42 "2017-02-21T02:42:37Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > And then, just to make my frustration complete, [something does happen in Sweden](http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/opptoyer-i-stockholm-og-politiet-har-avfyrt-varselskudd--nbspdet-ser-ut-som-en-krigssone-her/67274529). > Edit: The bastard is going to be smug about it, isnt he? I’m not seeing that covered in other news sites. I see stories about riots in 2013 and 2015. But I’m not finding anything about riots recently (at least not in English). Are you sure that story is recent? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/43 "2017-02-21T02:59:02Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > And then, just to make my frustration complete, [something does happen in Sweden](http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/opptoyer-i-stockholm-og-politiet-har-avfyrt-varselskudd--nbspdet-ser-ut-som-en-krigssone-her/67274529). > Edit: The bastard is going to be smug about it, isnt he? [RationalWiki](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge) doesn’t like Zero Hedge. > [@](#): > > It’s essentially apocalypse porn. It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions.[_citation NOT needed_] The only other place I see the story is [another investment blog](https://investmentwatchblog.com/a-day-after-fake-news-criticizes-trumps-comments-on-sweden-a-riot-in-little-moghadishu-rinkeby-sweden-occurs-cop-fires-warning-shot-7-8-cars-on-fire/). > [@](#): > > A day after fake news criticizes Trump’s comments on Sweden. A riot in “Little Moghadishu” Rinkeby Sweden occurs! Cop fires warning shot. 7-8 cars on fire! What a coinkidink. Everything else covers the riots from 2010 and 2013. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/44 "2017-02-21T03:22:25Z")
> [@APB](#): > > In a story that is so completely bizarre, the most bizarre aspect of all is that having heard what he assumed was news of a terrorist attack on Sweden, he seems to have done nothing whatsoever. > > Didn’t he ask his staff for more details? Hell, did he call his staff in and tear them a new one for having to find out about a terrorist attack from TV news? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/45 "2017-02-21T03:25:47Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Whether it is ADHD, sheer stupidity or onset of some type of dementia is currently unknown. But I’m not willing to chalk this up to his tendency to be a bullshitter. I would rather suggest that his bullshitting bluster is a mechanism to cover up whatever the real problem is here. We are orbiting Gamma Hydra II! Anyone who says we are orbiting Gamma Hydra IV is overrated and sad! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/46 "2017-02-21T05:20:01Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I’m not seeing that covered in other news sites. I see stories about riots in 2013 and 2015. But I’m not finding anything about riots recently (at least not in English). Are you sure that story is recent? This [Swedish newspaper article](http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Lz524/polis-avlossade-varningsskott-mot-stenkastare-i-rinkeby) seems to say that there was some rioting Monday evening in the Rinkeby district of Stockholm, involving maybe 30-40 people, due to resentment over a drug bust. According to Google Translate: > [@](#): > > In both cases, the rioting has spoken about 30-40 people who attended, but it’s pretty hard to calculate when it’s dark outside and moving around, says Lars Bystrom, spokesperson for the police in Stockholm. > > Seven or eight cars have been set on fire and several smaller shops have been broken. […] > > According to Aftonbladet moved the ursprunliga intervention a drug case when a wanted person was arrested. In connection with the arrest, the police have been told that “there would be riots because someone caught earlier in the day” > > Shortly thereafter, attacked the police patrol of a larger gang of stone-throwing youths. > > When another police patrol came to the rescue were also attacked the patrol with stones. > > Monday night, the police force together with a larger number of police officers had to stay overtime to respond to the unrest. Also, additional staff has been called in, according to Aftonbladet data. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/47 "2017-02-21T05:44:27Z")
For comparison, bear in mind that the Berkeley riots earlier this month are claimed to have involved maybe 150 masked agitators breaking windows and hurling Molotov cocktails. Not to make light of violence, and I strongly denounce such violent hooliganism in the name of “protest” whether it’s in the US or in Sweden. But I think it’s absurd to suggest that either one of these incidents indicates a country “having problems like they never thought possible” or in the grip of terror attacks. Certainly, rioting by stone-throwing youths is something with which urban Sweden is very familiar, going back [well before the current refugee situation](https://polisen.azurewebsites.net/index.php/social-unrest/historical-retrospect/): > [@](#): > > An early example is the “Berzelii riots” in Stockholm in 1951 when young people gathered in the Berzelii park. The riots gradually became more serious for a number of nights after the police had arrested suspected criminals on 20 July […] > > When supporters of those arrested came to the park that same week, the police sent in a larger force to take charge of the area. A few more rowdy nights followed with more and more people joining in, along with an equivalent police response and mass media coverage. The riots came to a head on 26 August when the police had enlisted officers from five cities as well as military police to face approximately 3,000 young people. […] > > It was August 1965 in Hötorget in Stockholm when the “mod riots” occurred. Hundreds of young mods had gathered during the day […] Extensive riots broke out when the young people refused to move after which fires were started along the street and shop windows were smashed. […] > > During the 1960s and 1970s there were repeated reports in the media about the “greaser fights”. The greasers were called “Motorised youths” who through their behaviour and their lack of compliance with social norms, got into fights and disrupted the general public. The greaser fights culminated in the infamous fight in Södertälje between greasers and immigrants in 1977. During the 1980s there was another type of juvenile unrest when suburban youths gathered to fight in Kungsträdgården in central Stockholm. At this time, a new phenomenon and group of young people entered the scene – skinheads. With this group there is a grey area between what, on one hand, can be considered a youth culture with a strong identity and a degree of political awareness, and on the other hand, activism within extreme right-wing tendencies […] > > In 2005, the Södertälje district of Ronna witnessed a riot that started after a few boys had thrown a bit of chocolate that hit the head of a young girl. The girl fetched her father who armed himself with a baseball bat. When the fight got out of hand, the police were called and three of the boys were arrested. The friends of the arrested try to free them and threw rocks at the police. The police then called for backup which led to extensive riots involving a large number of people. The violence ended with people firing automatic weapons at the police station in Södertälje, which was in revenge for the arrest of the three young people. Sounds like the new immigrants are carrying on a proud Swedish tradition. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/48 "2017-02-21T07:24:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And Trump continues to shit the bed, with [more twitter tirades](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/world/europe/trump-pursues-his-attack-on-sweden-with-scant-evidence.html?_r=0) about Sweden. Why does he continually crap on US Allies? > > Twitter from SCROTUS: > Again - he bases his inane tweets on xenophobic, fact-free craptastic reports from the usual suspects. And Sweden is not pleased: In a weird little counter-trend, grenade attacks in Sweden seem to be on the rise in recent years: [List of grenade attacks in Sweden - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden) I can’t read Swedish to verify any of the source material, but there are some pictures of what appears to be the aftermath of explosions, FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/49 "2017-02-21T08:54:32Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > The particulars don’t really matter. The alt-right is fully invested into the concept of [Eurabia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurabia) I am feeling a terrible urge to send some serrano, chorizo, lomo embuchado, mantecadas… to the guy who came up with that. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/50 "2017-02-21T14:01:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In a weird little counter-trend, grenade attacks in Sweden seem to be on the rise in recent years: [List of grenade attacks in Sweden - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden) > > I can’t read Swedish to verify any of the source material, but there are some pictures of what appears to be the aftermath of explosions, FWIW. There was one a couple of months ago near a friend’s dental clinic, another in Denmark a few weeks before that. Both were attributed to biker gangs fighting amongst themselves. I am going out on a limb and say that biker gangs is one place where you won’t find refugees. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/51 "2017-02-21T14:45:33Z")
This morning, a Swedish citizen stole a truck loaded with gas bottles (the domestic-use kind) and was eventually brought into custody after driving against traffic in one of Barcelona’s beltways for several kilometers. He’s been taken to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation. Maybe Trump’s crystall ball thinks we’re a suburb of Malmö? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/52 "2017-02-21T14:54:01Z")
Does anybody know whether the State Dept. has responded to Sweden’s request for clarification as to whether Trump’s tweet about Fox News is the official White House response? I did some searching today but finding anything specific in searches involving “trump” and “twitter” is pretty difficult. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/53 "2017-02-21T14:56:11Z")
I’m still dealing with the concept of the USA - a country, even countries built on immigration, some of it even voluntary - has something to learn on immigration from a place more used to exporting Vikings. This is a relatively new game for Swedes, at least on any scale. The USA has around 200 years advantage. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/54 "2017-02-21T15:04:01Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > There was one a couple of months ago near a friend’s dental clinic, another in Denmark a few weeks before that. Both were attributed to biker gangs fighting amongst themselves. > > I am going out on a limb and say that biker gangs is one place where you won’t find refugees. Is your perspective that the grenade attacks are all / primarily the work of native Swedish biker gangs and none / hardly done by immigrants? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/55 "2017-02-21T15:26:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Is your perspective that the grenade attacks are all / primarily the work of native Swedish biker gangs and none / hardly done by immigrants? I think the perspective in general is that immigrants are not anymore dangerous than the native population when it comes to crimes across the spectrum. Some studies even show that immigrants are somewhat less likely to commit crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/56 "2017-02-21T16:27:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Is your perspective that the grenade attacks are all / primarily the work of native Swedish biker gangs and none / hardly done by immigrants? Do you have a cite, data, or proof that a significant portion of these grenade attacks are the work of immigrants? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/57 "2017-02-21T16:35:12Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Do you have a cite, data, or proof that a significant portion of these grenade attacks are the work of immigrants? No, not a claim I made either. I don’t know who’s responsible for the increasing grenade attacks in Sweden except the one Mighty\_Girl said: “There was one a couple of months ago near a friend’s dental clinic … attributed to biker gangs fighting amongst themselves.” That’s why I asked the question you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/58 "2017-02-21T17:16:22Z")
So. Trump has managed to piss off and on Mexico, Australia and Sweden. Who’s next? Canada? Switzerland? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/59 "2017-02-21T17:20:28Z")
China is not too happy with him either, and the UK is actually having a parliamentary debate about whether or not to invite him for a state visit. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219/60 "2017-02-21T17:39:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Is your perspective that the grenade attacks are all / primarily the work of native Swedish biker gangs and none / hardly done by immigrants? I do not know, as I don’t follow all news from Sweden. I am not sure why you think I meant more than I conveyed using simple words. If you have more information, feel free to provide it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-in-sweden-trump-campaign-rally-statement/780219.md?page=4)