# What happened with the Hillary email scandal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 29, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574 "2016-01-29T14:58:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/341 "2016-02-11T16:41:41Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > The fact that Mrs. Clinton either unwittingly or deliberately compromised National Security is indisputable. I’ll ask [again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19060617&postcount=69): Has there been any indication that her server was less secure than the govt server(s)? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/342 "2016-02-11T16:49:24Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > The fact that Mrs. Clinton either unwittingly or deliberately compromised National Security is indisputable. No it’s not. We don’t know what sensitive and damaging information, if any, was released or compromised. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/343 "2016-02-11T17:33:02Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > I’ll take that as a compliment, coming from you. :rolleyes: > > Apparently you still don’t get the point. You didn’t have a point. Just a bunch of non-answers. > [@UberArchetype](#): > > > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > > > [@UberArchetype](#): > > > > > > Actually what it is, is a purely political cover-up, for reasons you just stated. The FBI needs to be in there to try and preempt anything going terribly “wrong” for Mrs. Clinton. > > > > And the same GOP-controlled Congress that has held dozens of hearings on Clinton’s alleged wrongdoing is not taking any serious action because…? > > They are in the same boat as you and Hillary: Clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/344 "2016-02-11T17:43:26Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > I’ll ask [again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19060617&postcount=69): Has there been any indication that her server was less secure than the govt server(s)? Did the people who set it up, maintained it, and archived the data have security clearances? Did the company she contracted with make sure that anyone who was in a position to examine the machine had security clearances? She apparently gave her lawyer a thumb drive containing all her E-mails. Her lawyer did not have a security clearance, and he stored the thumb drive in a non-secure safe in his office (The State Department recently upgraded it). Doesn’t sound very secure to me. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/345 "2016-02-11T17:50:05Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > The fact that Mrs. Clinton either unwittingly or deliberately compromised National Security is indisputable. How so? I don’t think anyone has said National Security was \*actually \*compromised, only that her set up created a risk that it could have been. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/346 "2016-02-11T17:51:27Z")
You people ask alot of questions. :dubious: Misinforming yourselves on this matter seems to be a quite pleasant pastime for you. Let me try to break it down so even people with an implacable political bent on this topic can understand: 1. Highly classified data found on an unclassified system.\* 2. Unclassified system\* connected to Internet. 3. Hillary owns unclassified system.\* Get it yet? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/347 "2016-02-11T17:53:02Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > How so? I don’t think anyone has said National Security was \*actually \*compromised, only that her set up created a risk that it could have been. …is the one you don’t know about. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/348 "2016-02-11T18:24:26Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Did the people who set it up, maintained it, and archived the data have security clearances? Did the company she contracted with make sure that anyone who was in a position to examine the machine had security clearances? Why would they need clearances? Do you think that everyone who maintains unclassified servers for the government has a clearance? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/349 "2016-02-11T18:26:07Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > I’ll ask [again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19060617&postcount=69): Has there been any indication that her server was less secure than the govt server(s)? She doesn’t get to determine how to store her TS SCI at home. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/350 "2016-02-11T19:08:29Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > She doesn’t get to determine how to store her TS SCI at home. And since I haven’t yet seen anything to suggest it’s been DSS certified to ANY level of classification, in fact referred to as “unclassified” in every news story I’ve read so far, it is/was “less secure” by definition. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/351 "2016-02-11T19:29:09Z")
The FBI is already investigating, what more do you guys want? Immediate conviction a la Rosenbergs? ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/352 "2016-02-11T19:39:36Z")
Personally, I’m just looking to see justice done. Still no reason to allow denigration of the StraightDope reputation to go unanswered on this particular political football. Some of the questions and inputs on this have been just laughably bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/353 "2016-02-11T19:44:20Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Personally, I’m just looking to see justice done. Still no reason to allow denigration of the StraightDope reputation to go unanswered on this particular political football. > > Some of the questions and inputs on this have been just laughably bizarre. But you have no more clue about what actually happened than anyone here and your “expert” act no less laughably bizarre. So why don’t you just sit back and let the final FBI report tell the tale? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/354 "2016-02-11T20:21:49Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > But you have no more clue about what actually happened than anyone here and your “expert” act no less laughably bizarre. So why don’t you just sit back and let the final FBI report tell the tale? I had no idea that the FBI was holding their investigation in abeyance pending the results of this thread. Ohh the power we have here!! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/355 "2016-02-11T20:26:55Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I had no idea that the FBI was holding their investigation in abeyance pending the results of this thread. > > Ohh the power we have here!! Good thing I didn’t say something so ridiculous. On the other hand we have UberArchetype making clothes rending comments about how National security was betrayed, absent any real knowledge of the investigation. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/356 "2016-02-11T20:55:00Z")
> [@Pashnish\_Ewing](#): > > I’ll ask [again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19060617&postcount=69): Has there been any indication that her server was less secure than the govt server(s)? Well, I don’t know about the governments servers. However, it is documented that Clinton was running an unpatched server. Specifically, the issue was with [SSL](http://www.pcworld.com/article/2895832/hillary-clintons-email-system-was-insecure-for-two-months.html). [More](http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042). So we know, looking from the outside in, that they weren’t doing the SSL thing. However, we will have to wait for the F.B.I. to find out about patch management, etc. I suspect it wasn’t regularly patched. I work for a company that has federal contracts. When we got the federal contracts I was flown out to the corporate office and sat through a week of [FISMA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Information_Security_Management_Act_of_2002)(Federal Information Security Management Act) review. A FISMA review is required for working with the government. Did Clinton do a FISMA review? Also, what security was in front of the server? Did she have a firewall? IPS? What? How often were the security logs reviewed? Who reviewed them? What was the process for reporting a possible breach? Would the report go to anyone at State? The Pres? Note, a couple people have mentioned that Clinton just switched over to the email system she already had running. The timing on this isn’t clear to me as it is being reported that the [Clintonemail.com](http://Clintonemail.com) domain was registed just 8 days before she became SecState. See previous link for cite. So, as far as ‘just switching to a system she already had’, well, maybe. But it appears to me that she set this up specifically for her run as SecState. Slee ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/357 "2016-02-11T21:53:46Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Note, a couple people have mentioned that Clinton just switched over to the email system she already had running. The timing on this isn’t clear to me as it is being reported that the [Clintonemail.com](http://Clintonemail.com) domain was registed just 8 days before she became SecState. See previous link for cite. So, as far as ‘just switching to a system she already had’, well, maybe. But it appears to me that she set this up specifically for her run as SecState. > > Slee [Breitbart](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/31/exclusive-hillary-shared-an-email-network-with-the-clinton-foundation/) reported that the [clintonemail.com](http://clintonemail.com) domain was running on the same network, and possibly the same machine, as [presidentclinton.com](http://presidentclinton.com), which was registered in 2002 to Bill’s foundation. It is at least plausible that the “new” domain was simply added on to an existing system, or in the alternative that she had an email at the Clinton Foundation and just wanted to continue using the same email software. I’ve also seen claims (for which I can’t find a ready source now) that her 2008 campaign may have used the system; repurposing a system from one domain name to another is pretty straightforward. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/358 "2016-02-12T01:10:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Good thing I didn’t say something so ridiculous. On the other hand we have UberArchetype making clothes rending comments about how National security was betrayed, absent any real knowledge of the investigation. You don’t need to know any more than what’s been made public to very accurately characterize this affair as I have throughout this thread. That is “if” (obviously a VERY BIG “if” around here) you are more than casually familiar with government information security policies and regulations. OTOH, “if” you aren’t, and have a seriously delusional affectation with Mrs. Clinton, or possibly prior experience that gave you a hard-on for onerous security practices, you can just dream shyt up and try to have your own little private cover-up right here on SD. I certainly am sitting back waiting to see how it comes out. We (the general public) will probably never know the details being speculated about, nor should we. The only way anybody will get any more info on this episode is if it eventually bites Hillary or some other higher-ups in the butt. Either way, I’m good! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![EhhMon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@EhhMon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EhhMon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/359 "2016-02-12T13:56:05Z")
Wasn’t the original idea of going thru Hillary’s emails was to find something incriminating about Benghazi??? Every time a conservative conspiracy theory about Benghazi gets debunked they move the goal posts.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574/360 "2016-02-12T15:53:47Z")
> [@EhhMon](#): > > Wasn’t the original idea of going thru Hillary’s emails was to find something incriminating about Benghazi? I don’t know about that, but anything like an email server used by the Clinton gang has got to be a gold mine for incriminating evidence of all sorts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happened-with-the-hillary-email-scandal/744574.md?page=19)