# What happens if Trump is indicted in Georgia? (Indicted on August 14, 2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928 "2023-02-17T03:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1881 "2023-10-23T00:32:52Z")
CNN article summarises the increased risk for Trump in light of the Kraken and the Cheese flipping: > [@](#): > > The pleas are a stark display of the reality that the Georgia case against Trump and his co-defendants is getting stronger. While Trump has vowed to fight until the bitter end, these newly inked plea deals force his co-defendants to confront the same difficult choice: cut a deal or roll the dice at trial. > … > Their decisions to transform from Trump diehards to key witness against him have likely shattered any sense of invincibility that the former president or others charged may be feeling – perhaps for the first time. > … > Chesebro directly implicated Trump in a criminal conspiracy, and his plea establishes for the first time that the fake electors plot was illegal. Notably, Chesebro has now admitted that “the purpose” of the fake electors conspiracy was to “disrupt and delay the joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021,” which is a key element of the federal charges Trump is facing. > … > As part of the plea, Chesebro established that the fake electors plot was part of “an attempt… to violate” the US Constitution and federal law, by subverting the Electoral College proceedings. This dovetails with the allegations against Trump in [Smith’s federal indictment](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/08/politics/annotated-text-copy-trump-indictment-dg/). [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/politics/chesebro-powell-plea-deals-trump-takeaways/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/politics/chesebro-powell-plea-deals-trump-takeaways/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1882 "2023-10-24T13:37:04Z")
jenna ellis is in court now. plea deal in the works. per cnn. first offender deal again. will have probation if she lives up to the deal. ellis is addressing the court. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1883 "2023-10-24T13:50:44Z")
If Ms. Ellis’s role has escaped anybody’s notice, here’s a three-page PDF that puts it in pretty stark relief: > **[january-6-clearinghouse-jenna-ellis-december-31-202-and-january-5-2021-memos.pdf](https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/january-6-clearinghouse-jenna-ellis-december-31-202-and-january-5-2021-memos.pdf)** > > 2.29 MB ETA: she’s falling on her sword, while simultaneously invoking the “I’m not a criminal. I relied on inputs _from_ criminals in executing my role in the campaign…” defense (my words, not hers, but substantively accurate). ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1884 "2023-10-24T13:54:39Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > If Ms. Ellis’s role has escaped anybody’s notice You just know later today Trump is going to put out a statement saying he has no idea who she is or what her role was. He might even just cut and paste from the previous statement about Powell. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1885 "2023-10-24T13:55:28Z")
yep, i am a christian and i trusted people older and wiser and did not do due diligence. interesting, we are learning how they will deal with people from out of state. she has a 1:55 flight to florida and they are trying to work her probation, so she can travel there. she is pleading to false statements and writings. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1886 "2023-10-24T14:11:54Z")
That’s disappointing. Other than Trump, there is no one I looked forward to seeing behind bars more than that useless little pick me Jenna Ellis. She was just so ……extraneous. She just seemed like some random Trump fan that followed these lie-spouting insurrectionists on stage, she was content to sit back and bask in the miasma of Rudy’s Covid-laced farts as long as there was a camera aimed in her direction. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1887 "2023-10-24T14:13:46Z")
Thanks for posting that link to her memos. I was wondering how they were going to do the elector slate switch. I find these memos chilling in that it shows just how pre-planned and intentional the coup attempt was. The right keeps trying to put out this image that everything was spontaneous and was just an unplanned riot at worst. But these memos show that it wasn’t just the Orange One going off on a temper tantrum. There was a serious, planned methodology in place in DC and several states to create fake electors and have them accepted by congress. I mean, this was an _actual conspiracy_, not a hasty grabbing at straws. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1888 "2023-10-24T14:34:41Z")
hopefully other states will take note and get charges going in their states. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1889 "2023-10-24T14:49:35Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > But these memos show that it wasn’t just the Orange One going off on a temper tantrum. There was a serious, planned methodology in place in DC and several states to create fake electors and have them accepted by congress. I mean, this was an _actual conspiracy_, not a hasty grabbing at straws. Yep. She really glosses over the fact that the results from the six states in question were certified. She told Trump that Pence could ignore those six and ask those legislatures to “confirm” which ballots should be counted. The real ones or the fake ones. If they didn’t confirm fast enough, then let the House vote. A true conspiracy indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1890 "2023-10-24T14:58:05Z")
Relevant WaPo article posted about an hour ago: [Trump co-defendant Jenna Ellis pleads guilty in Georgia election case (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-co-defendant-jenna-ellis-pleads-guilty-in-georgia-election-case/ar-AA1iLauQ?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=7abfef53c5094a19a14465cd7a20250d&ei=67) It’s worth noting that all three defendants who’ve flipped so far have all been attorneys (who presumably should understand their legal peril better than most) ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1891 "2023-10-24T15:02:22Z")
Four defendants have pled so far, and the first one was the bail bondsman. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1892 "2023-10-24T15:07:44Z")
I forgot about the first one. You’re right, of course. I suppose that diminishes my point proportionately. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1893 "2023-10-24T15:29:16Z")
I’d just like to take a moment to honor Scott Hall – Georgia’s first RICO domino to fall in this case: > **[Bail bondsman charged alongside Trump in Georgia pleads guilty, becoming...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/justice-department-official-jeffrey-clark-move-georgia-case-103609009)** > > A bail bondsman charged alongside former President Donald Trump and 17 others in the Georgia election interference case has pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges h/t to Scott ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1894 "2023-10-24T15:37:41Z")
the four who have pleaded so far are trying to hold onto their careers. the lawyers are trying to hold onto the law license and the bondsman his business. holding on to law license is why the lawyers are making a big deal of the “moral turpitude” thing. if i understand it correctly a person convicted of a felony can not be a bondsman. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1895 "2023-10-24T15:49:20Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Four defendants have pled so far, and the first one was the bail bondsman. > [@Cardigan](#): > > I forgot about the first one. You’re right, of course. I suppose that diminishes my point proportionately. I don’t think so. If anyone has first hand experience with convicting evidence, it would be a bail bondsman. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1896 "2023-10-24T16:55:32Z")
He would certainly understand the pleasures of serving time in a Georgia jail, if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1897 "2023-10-24T17:16:15Z")
DA Willis should put a chyron on her office web-page: “Plea-bargains! Getcher plea bargains here! Supplies are limited, so hurry, hurry, hurry!” ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1898 "2023-10-24T17:25:13Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > “Plea-bargains! Getcher plea bargains here! Supplies are limited, so hurry, hurry, hurry!” At this point, the quality of deals to be struck going forward is likely to diminish. No one is going to serve time thus far (at least in Georgia). So, depending on what kind of dirt on your co-defendants you can provide to Willis in a proffer, the less sweet the deal the closer it gets to the trial. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1899 "2023-10-24T17:50:43Z")
AND you have to provide something they don’t already have from the previous plea-bargainers. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928/1900 "2023-10-24T18:01:43Z")
I have to assume the value of “I’ll testify against whoever you want” doesn’t go down to zero just because you don’t have new information, especially when the big fish is a Very Big Fish indeed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928.md?page=94) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-happens-if-trump-is-indicted-in-georgia-indicted-on-august-14-2023/979928.md?page=96)