# What has our Righties in a lather, of late? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 2, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630 "2005-06-02T22:13:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/141 "2005-06-04T02:34:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What happened to, “From each according to his ability; to each according to his need?” I do not have the time to supply blow jobs to every man in America who doesn’t get oral. I will start a signup sheet and begin a process of considering each applicant. From me according to my ability; to each dependant on my whim. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/142 "2005-06-04T02:38:20Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > I do not have the time to supply blow jobs to every man in America who doesn’t get oral. > > I will start a signup sheet and begin a process of considering each applicant. > > From me according to my ability; to each dependant on my whim. See what I mean? Private initiative beats government solution, every time. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/143 "2005-06-04T03:04:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > See what I mean? Private initiative beats government solution, every time. Here we are, having a perfectly respectable conversation about knob-slobbering, and you go and drag it into the gutter. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/144 "2005-06-04T03:05:42Z")
Back to the subject at hand… Here are the words from the self appointed “holy men” Falwell and Robertson on the subject of the 9/11 attacks [http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/falwell-robertson-wtc.htm](http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/falwell-robertson-wtc.htm) THE TRANSCRIPT Then Falwell said, “What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and **allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve**.” Robertson replied, “Well, Jerry, **that’s my feeling**. I think we’ve just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven’t begun to see what they can do to the major population.” Falwell said, “The **ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this**. And I know I’ll hear from them for this, but throwing God…successfully **with the help of the federal court system** …throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, \*\*the abortionists \*\* have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad…I really believe that \*\*the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians \*\* who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America…\*\*I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen.”\*\*Robertson said, “ **I totally concur** , and the problem is we’ve adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we’re responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system.” It sure looks like a congratulatory circle jerk to me. Consider also that Pat Robertson actually tried once (or twice) to get a shot at the Presidency itself. I’d sooner see Darth Sidious in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/145 "2005-06-04T03:21:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > …I’d sooner see Darth Sidious in the White House. Sid Vicious had an evil twin? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/146 "2005-06-04T03:29:50Z")
Evil twin? Nahhh cousins maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/147 "2005-06-04T03:40:34Z")
Conservative leaning guy here, and it’s fairly easy why I feel somewhat pissed off at the forum as of late. I have no problem in political threads when people disagree with me, I have problems with people making ludicrous and unfounded claims mixed with insults, but even that isn’t a big deal as those types of tactics can easily be dismisses (and in the Pit just simply skipped over entirely as not even part of any relevant discussion.) The problem for me is when a familiar incident that is repeated time and time again. I’ll be looking at a GQ, GD, or BBQ Pit thread that to my mind has nothing to do with domestic politics in the United States. But suddenly I see Bush getting bashed, or even worse some ludicrous claim being made about the Bush Administration. It really incenses me on two levels, one it pisses me off because these rants always tend to be ridiculously unfounded and two it pisses me off because I quite enjoy things in life other than domestic politics. Domestic politics has its place and it’s very fun to debate domestic politics for me but when I signed on at the SDMB I had hoped for more than that, and in general that is the normal way of things, but it becomes a bit old when half the pit threads are various forms of “I hate Bush” and then a good chunk of threads throughout the rest of the forum devolve into Bush-bashing for no apparent reason. I should mention I find it equally annoying when a right-winger brings in a non-relevant bash against the Dems. But I definitely know which of these transgressions occurs the most often. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/148 "2005-06-04T03:49:20Z")
This thread IS about politics, and the title should have given you a heads up. If this sort of thread always ends up bashing Bush, maybe it is because so many things can be laid at his door and yet, the sort of “righties” the title is about still insist on defending everything he and his associates do. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/149 "2005-06-04T04:00:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > See what I mean? Private initiative beats government solution, every time. Well, I am subsidized for blowing the homeless by a government grant. So… that kills your theory. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/150 "2005-06-04T04:04:43Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This thread IS about politics, and the title should have given you a heads up. If this sort of thread always ends up bashing Bush, maybe it is because so many things can be laid at his door and yet, the sort of “righties” the title is about still insist on defending everything he and his associates do. And for the most part being whiny while they do it, when they aren’t grossing me out and reinforcing my homosexuality by going on rhapsodically about Ann Coulter’s attractiveness. _BARF_ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/151 "2005-06-04T04:32:41Z")
I wouldn’t want her even if I were straight either. Given a choice between her, and going celibate, well let’s just say I’d make an excellent hermit monk. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/152 "2005-06-04T04:34:23Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > It was very obvious that he was about to be impeached and removed from office by a bi-partisan vote. My clearest memories of the impeachment hearings were questions from Republican Senator Howard Baker, assisted by counsel and future Republican Senator Fred Thompson. It was Thompson’s suggestion that elicited the information about the existence of Oval Office tapes. > > Don’t let anyone convince you that this was not bi-partisan. Even Nixon admitted that he was the “architect” of his own fall. This is all true – but it only came about after two years of non-stop bleating every-single-day by a television and newspaper media determined to bring about his downfall, and Democrat politicians who were only to happy to go along for the ride. (The press always had it in for Nixon, even going back to the forties. He was famous for that, as a matter of fact…remember the “You won’t have Nixon to kick around anymore” speech?) At any rate, it was a cabal ( 😉 ) of both the press (at least 94% Democrat) as well as a Democrat congress, that kept up the drumbeat day after day until finally the citizenry itself and Nixon’s own supporters came to the conclusion that he had to go. But in my mind there’s no mistake about it – Nixon was driven from office by an overwhelmingly hostile Democrat media, and by Democrat politicians who were only to happy to have the opportunity to see him gone, especially given the huge landslide victory he had acheived in the previous election. > [@Zoe](#): > > Other than that, how ya doin’? I’m just peachy keen, thanks. How you doin’? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/153 "2005-06-04T05:06:13Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > (The press always had it in for Nixon, even going back to the forties. He was famous for that, as a matter of fact…remember the “You won’t have Nixon to kick around anymore” speech?) Excuse me while i stifle the laughter. You are actually presenting, as evidence that the press “had it in for Nixon,” a whining quotation from one of _Nixon’s own speeches_? A quote that proves nothing except his persecution complex? Next, you’ll be telling us that the press had it in for Clinton, because Clinton declared it to be so? I didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/154 "2005-06-04T05:12:38Z")
I would say Ken Starr had it in for Clinton, just going on my unreliable memory. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/155 "2005-06-04T06:25:00Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Excuse me while i stifle the laughter. Sure! Take your time. > [@mhendo](#): > > You are actually presenting, as evidence that the press “had it in for Nixon,” a whining quotation from one of _Nixon’s own speeches_? Nope, I’m doing nothing of the sort. I’m merely trying to refresh **Zoe’s** memory as to the media climate that existed in those days where Nixon was concened. It was widely known by the populace in general that Nixon was someone whom the media despised. Throughout his career they never missed a chance to give him grief or try to cause him trouble, and they hit bigtime paydirt with Watergate. > [@mhendo](#): > > Next, you’ll be telling us that the press had it in for Clinton, because Clinton declared it to be so? I didn’t think so. No, I don’t think so either. If Billary had been subjected to one-tenth the scrutiny and non-stop media rabble-rousing over their contretemps that Nixon was subjected to, they never would have survived their first term in office. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/156 "2005-06-04T06:33:42Z")
I’m not sure I understand your point, **SA**. To begin with, this: > [@](#): > > _Nope, I’m doing nothing of the sort. I’m merely trying to refresh **Zoe’s** memory as to the media climate that existed in those days where Nixon was concened. It was widely known by the populace in general that Nixon was someone whom the media despised. Throughout his career they never missed a chance to give him grief or try to cause him trouble…._ 1. Aside from Nixon’s own assertion, do you have any evidence that Nixon was more unfairly treated by the press than any other random politician? 2. Are you trying to say that the charges against Nixon were somehow “drummed up” by the press? That Watergate was the result of public hysteria/media manipulation, rather than an honest assessment of wrongdoing on his part? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/157 "2005-06-04T06:35:28Z")
**SA** : > [@](#): > > - No, I don’t think so either. If Billary had been subjected to one-tenth the scrutiny and non-stop media rabble-rousing over their contretemps that Nixon was subjected to, they never would have survived their first term in office.\* That’s a crazy historical revision. Care to try to prove it? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/158 "2005-06-04T06:44:39Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > It was widely known by the populace in general that Nixon was someone whom the media despised. Ah, the “it was widely known” argument. Well, now i’m convinced. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/159 "2005-06-04T08:22:47Z")
You gotta remember, **Starving Artist** can take “Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. America, and all the ships at sea” and find ironclad evidence of “liberal bias” in it. It’s sorta like [subliminal perception,](http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~pmerikle/papers/SubliminalPerception.html) only dumber. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630/160 "2005-06-04T11:01:51Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > misstep after misstep and scandal after scandal. Scandals which don’t seem to be met with outrage anymore because it’s seen as business as usual, but scandals nonetheless. Clinton had four active scandals before even being elected the first time. An internet search is bringing up Whitewater, Chinagate, Juanita Broaderick, Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinski–but at least Chinagate and Monica didn’t become public until after the election and I don’t recall the order of the others except Whitewater. He also had “But I didn’t inhale” and draft dodging in there. Bush so far has WMD and slacking when he was in the military. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-has-our-righties-in-a-lather-of-late/306630.md?page=9)