# what have Israel done, anything that creating havoc ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 11, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352 "2006-08-11T20:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wildfire\_MM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@Wildfire\_MM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildfire_MM)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/1 "2006-08-11T20:49:15Z")
seams to me that Israel, since it’s creation, have done nothing but creating havoc, war, massacres, refugees, desperation, terrorists, bloodbath, regional tension, hate, traumas etc… I feel it’s time to conclude that the creation of Israel was the worst mistake made in the 20th century ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/2 "2006-08-11T20:50:55Z")
Damn Jews. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/3 "2006-08-11T20:51:43Z")
Or not, if you happen to be a rational human being. From my vantage point, most of the problems have been caused by the Arab populations and governments. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/4 "2006-08-11T20:56:26Z")
You do understand that the Israelis didn’t start this fight, right? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/5 "2006-08-11T20:58:45Z")
Sorry, that was snarky and maybe inappropriate. Certainly the creation of Israel hurt some feelings and exacerbated other problems inherent in establish borders that are more convenient to colonialism than tradition; and I’ve often heard Israel parallelled to a scenario in which maybe the Duwamish tribe decided to “return” to Seattle and not ask the opinions of the current residents of the area. Fair’s fair. I’m sure the situations are not, in fact, parallel, but I’d be interested in hearing the specific differences. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/6 "2006-08-11T20:59:36Z")
Well, they have a very high literacy rate. Words spelled correctly and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Wildfire\_MM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@Wildfire\_MM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildfire_MM)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/7 "2006-08-11T21:01:54Z")
[QUOTE=Ethilrist] You do understand that the Israelis didn’t start this fight, right? [/QUOTE] your kidding ---
**Author:** ![hawksgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@hawksgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawksgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/8 "2006-08-11T21:02:51Z")
His/her what is kidding? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/9 "2006-08-11T21:04:44Z")
G-d, I love posting here… ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/10 "2006-08-11T21:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] your kidding [/QUOTE] Either that or you’re ill-informed. One or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Wildfire\_MM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@Wildfire\_MM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildfire_MM)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/11 "2006-08-11T21:29:41Z")
some have claimed that Hezbollah are hiding among civilians and that H is shooting at their own people, but the fact is that they don’t have to do that. Hezbollah can just sit down and wait for Israel to do something outrageous (as usual) ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/12 "2006-08-11T21:32:38Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] some have claimed that Hezbollah are hiding among civilians and that H is shooting at their own people, but the fact is that they don’t have to do that. Hezbollah can just sit down and wait for Israel to do something outrageous (as usual) [/QUOTE] If someone can supply with one positive accomplishment for Israel over the last 58 years, will that satisfy that your resolution is mistaken, and this Great Debate can come to a thunderous end? ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/13 "2006-08-11T21:38:16Z")
Will somebody please move this to the Pit so’s I can call the OP a troll? Oh, and: ;j ;j ;j ;j ;j ;j ;j ;j I knew those guys’d come in handy one day… ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/14 "2006-08-11T21:40:53Z")
Aw, the question has merit even if it is framed a bit inflamatorarily. Why not debate Israel’s right to exist? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/15 "2006-08-11T21:46:12Z")
We’re not debating Israel’s right to exist, but rather whether > [@](#): > > the creation of Israel was the worst mistake made in the 20th century ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/16 "2006-08-11T21:47:19Z")
…or possibly > [@](#): > > **what have Israel done, anything that creating havoc ?** ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/17 "2006-08-11T21:49:09Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] I feel it’s time to conclude that the creation of Israel was the worst mistake made in the 20th century [/QUOTE] Since the Holocaust directly lead to the creation of Israel - and also killed millions of people and destroyed tons of property - doesn’t that automatically mean the Holocaust was a worse mistake? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/18 "2006-08-11T21:50:25Z")
Oh. Well of course it’s not. That honor goes to spring/summer professional football. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/19 "2006-08-11T21:53:14Z")
Because how do you debate an existing country’s “right to exist”? A country has the right to exist because it’s there, because its citizens are there and because it’s able to defend itself from people who want to wipe it out. That’s true of Israel, it’s true of Morrocco, it’s true of the US, it’s true of every country. But nobody ever asks if Morrocco or the US have the “right to exist”. That question is pretty much only asked of Israel. And lets say the rest of the world decides, “No, Israel doesn’t have the right to exist as a nation.” Do you think the Israelis are going to say, “Sorry. We’ll just leave, or agree to be annexed by our neighbors”? The only way to make Israel stop existing is to take it over. That’s been tried, remember, numerous times. Thankfully, its neighbors failed each time. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352/20 "2006-08-11T21:57:03Z")
Not even close. The worst mistake of the 20th Century was Ditka giving up so many picks to move up and take Ricky “Ganja” Williams. The second worst was Boston trading the Bambino to the Yankees. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-israel-done-anything-that-creating-havoc/368352.md?page=2)