# What have they done with Vampires?!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 16, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519 "2011-09-16T14:31:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Barking\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Barking\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Dog)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/41 "2011-09-18T01:19:34Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > That is apparently what Bram Stoker thought though, and why he chose the name “Dracula” for his vampire. He wrote in his research notes that “DRACULA in Wallachian language means DEVIL.” (See Dr. Elizabeth Miller’s essay [Filing For Divorce: Count Dracula vs Vlad The Impaler](http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~emiller/divorce.html), where she argues that Stoker was only loosely inspired by the historic Vlad the Impaler.) Hey, I’m not arguing. I was talking about the historical Dracula and nothing else. I mean, Stoker wrote a novel, not a historical treatise. I just wanted to contribute to the thread in my own, sad way. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/42 "2011-09-18T01:40:31Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > IIRC, it’s at least implied that Carmilla _couldn’t_ wake up before noon, and that this was one of the limitations of being a vampire. That’s not _quite_ the implication I got from it. (Although my earlier post wasn’t either - it’s what Laura (the narrator) thinks, at first, so it was a safe spoiler-free explanation.) The implication I got was that Carmilla did her actual sleeping in her tomb (which wasn’t far from Laura’s estate) in the early morning (after her pre-dawn visits with Laura, or implied hunting in the village), which is why her bedroom was locked, and why they found it empty when Laura suddenly got worried about her. Which, of course, meant she had to travel between her tomb and the house in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/43 "2011-09-18T02:58:40Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > That’s not _quite_ the implication I got from it. (Although my earlier post wasn’t either - it’s what Laura (the narrator) thinks, at first, so it was a safe spoiler-free explanation.) The implication I got was that Carmilla did her actual sleeping in her tomb (which wasn’t far from Laura’s estate) in the early morning (after her pre-dawn visits with Laura, or implied hunting in the village), which is why her bedroom was locked, and why they found it empty when Laura suddenly got worried about her. Which, of course, meant she had to travel between her tomb and the house in the morning. Carmilla was definitely sleeping in her tomb, but I had the impression that she had to sleep at a particular time. Aha, I found the passage I was thinking of. Right near the end of the story it says “How they [vampires] escape from their graves and return to them for certain hours every day, without displacing the clay or leaving any trace of disturbance in the state of the coffin or the cerements, has always been admitted to be utterly inexplicable. The amphibious existence of the vampire is sustained by daily renewed slumber in the grave.” This isn’t totally clear, but it gives me the impression that Carmilla had to sleep during the day, and that she had to sleep at a fixed time (“certain hours”). But as you say she did have to get back and forth between the grave and Laura’s house, so that may have been at least part of the reason why she seemed to “wake up” so late every day. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/44 "2011-09-18T22:32:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, but if you jab a knife into a modern vampire’s heart, they’ll just laugh. It has to be a sharp piece of wood. Why you need a wooden stake specifically, no one can seem to explain. I just wanted to point out where the whole “staking” mythology came from–as a way to nail the bloodsuckers in place. It’s not invariably wood. In Carl Dreyer’s film _Vampyr_ the vampire is staked with an iron bar (in full daylight, too – this predates the Curt Siodmak films I listed above, so “dissolves in daylight” hadn’t become part of the Canon yet). In Richard Matheson’s novel _I Am Legend_\*, the hero uses wooden stakes until he discovers that he really doesn’t need them. Various alternate methods of killing vampires include non-wooden impaling objects, in particular nails. In one of his stories (“What do you think of chocolate-coated manhole covers?” , I think), Larry Niven asks (but doesn’t answer) the question “Could you kill a vampire with a stake made of Plastic Wood?” ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/45 "2011-09-19T00:23:25Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yes, but if you jab a knife into a modern vampire’s heart, they’ll just laugh. It has to be a sharp piece of wood. Why you need a wooden stake specifically, no one can seem to explain. > [@CalMeacham](#): > > It’s not invariably wood. In Carl Dreyer’s film _Vampyr_ the vampire is staked with an iron bar (in full daylight, too – this predates the Curt Siodmak films I listed above, so “dissolves in daylight” hadn’t become part of the Canon yet). In Richard Matheson’s novel _I Am Legend_, the hero uses wooden stakes until he discovers that he really doesn’t need them. Various alternate methods of killing vampires include non-wooden impaling objects, in particular nails. Adding to **CalMeacham** ’s examples, in the Tim Powers novel _The Stress of Her Regard_ the vampire-like beings are vulnerable to both metal (iron/steel) and wooden weapons. IIRC the reasons for this aren’t fully explained in the novel, but here’s what Powers had to say in an [interview](http://www.theworksoftimpowers.com/exclusive-author-interview/exclusive-author-interview-6/): > [@Tim Powers](#): > > I was puzzled by the fact that the things that stymie supernatural assailants, are on the one hand silver bullets, cold steel and on the other hand wooden stakes. And I thought how’s the rationale? I thought one is a very good of conductor of electricity and one’s a very bad conductor – virtually an insulator. Therefore they hate the extremes, they like the middle. What’s the middle? Well, silicon! You know, computer chips, semi-conductors. And I thought OK, well that’s interesting, because silicon is the famous other basis possible for life. These silicon-based beings also try to stay out of the sun because their bodies start to crystalize in direct sunlight. (One character suggests this was the truth behind the story of Lot’s wife.) It’s explained that they originated during a much earlier time in the Earth’s history, when the atmosphere was different and protected them from more of the sun’s rays. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/46 "2011-09-19T01:07:36Z")
Just an interesting aside on the whole staking a vamp thing. D&D, which originated back in the late 70’s, had Vampires, where a stake through the heart wouldn’t kill the vamp outright, but would render it immobile. You had to cut off the head and burn it to truly kill the vampire. It’s an interesting data point I think that the fact it needed to be wooden was still important, but wasn’t tied to staking it in it’s coffin. But also that it still didn’t kill it outright. I personally try not to get too hung up on the actual ‘abilities’ of vamps, as it changes in popular culture all the time, even before it was counted as ‘popular culture’ 🙂 [Having said that I think making them sparkly has taken them out of the realm of vamps into something else] ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/47 "2011-09-19T01:41:49Z")
As someone who has written and sold a reasonable amount of [vampire stories](http://dailysciencefiction.com/story/chuck-rothman/her-old-man), I use the genre because I can pick and choose from the legends as I see fit. My most successful short story was based upon the premise that all the legends get things wrong. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/48 "2011-09-19T13:57:48Z")
> [@Barking\_Dog](#): > > Little Vlad called himself Draculya (son of the dragon) to further associate himself with his hero father. Nobody else really called him that, as far as I’ve read. That’s hard to say. According to Raymond McNally, “Dracula” was Vlad’s preferred name in life. If that’s how he introduced himself and signed his name (and it is documented that he did this), I’d be surprised if his contemporaries didn’t call him that, especially given that Vlad III was, like his father, a full member of the Order of the Dragon. > [@](#): > > And while we would call the guy a cruel SOB, at the time he was considered harsh, but fair. Much of the atrocities attributed to him (such as the feast among the corpses) were largely propaganda from his peers, who didn’t like him that much. I forget why. Political propaganda. Vlad was the last of the fiercely independent Wallachian princelings. Both the Turks and the Saxons had reason to villify him post-mortem. Russian tracts about Dracula were much more evenhanded. This might say more about the Russian tradition of (sometimes brutal) autocracy than it does about Dracula’s better side, however. > [@Lamia](#): > > According to Wikipedia, members of the [House of Drăculești](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr%C4%83cule%C5%9Fti) continued to rule Wallachia into the early 17th century. The list on the linked page ends in 1600, but the [list of rulers of Wallachia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Wallachia) includes Radu IX Mihnea (Voivode of Wallachia off and on until 1623) as a member of the same family. It bears mentioning that every Wallachian prince after Vlad Dracula was essentially a client of the Ottoman Empire. In _The Romanians 1774-1866_, Keith Hitchins posits that Dracula’s deposition was the de facto end of any pretense of real Wallachian autonomy. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/49 "2011-09-19T14:40:15Z")
Just adding my take on the vampires being night creatures thing. It would seem that a lot, if not most or all monsters were originally creatures of the night, and this may very well be because: (a) people, until recently (with the invention of the lightbulb), have always been terrified by the night due to the difficulty of seeing just what is making that spooky sound or being mugged/killed by theives/bandits. (B) Because people needed to have a time when they were completely safe from monsters (in this case vamps), and naturely the daylight makes the darkness go away (physically and metaphorically). I’m sure everyone already knows this, heres the other thing though, monsters (vampires, ghosts, zombies, etc) all came from the imagination, but were inspired by something that was real. The undead were most likely given a serious boost during the middle ages, specifically with the black plague I’d imagine. Death would be everywhere, bodies just lying around sometimes, you’d walk by one and suddenly the damn thing moves…the undead!! This would be many times more scary if you were hurrying to get home after the sun had already gone down, you’re getting spooked by various noises, then you remember that body you saw moving, and now all you can think about is “what if it’s coming after me!” Trust me, I’d think just a thought along those lines would push reason aside and the hair on the back of your neck is now about as stiff as that corpse. Just for fun, imagine starting to run home, super freaked out, you trip and fall on a dead body, and right at that moment it’s arms jerk up in the air…trying to hug you :eek:…I’d think that happening just once would be plenty to start a whole bunch of scary stories and stuff. Of course, the black plague wouldn’t be the only source for such stories, people have been dieing since the beginning of time, it just seems to me that during the plague, the stories would told a lot more and people would be thinking about it a lot more, thus coming up with a lot more lore. Anyway, probably stupid to mention those points, this is all well known I’d imagine, something to think about I guess, I just remembered that the undead were, in fact, somewhat a reality, if only a reflection of peoples lack of understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/50 "2011-09-19T15:04:05Z")
I must say that I’m truly disappointed with so many people giving so much credit to Vlad, I had no idea he wasn’t even a real part of vampire legend that much at all. If History Channel was hosting the Deadliest Warrior show and not Spike, then I’m sure they would have busted the myth about Vald starting it all, but those Spike morons went right ahead and gave full, 100% credit to Vlad, as if he was the father of vamps. I knew he wasn’t the real source so even at the time I thought them naming Vlad was a bit much, I went along with it though, thinking they weren’t too off base, but thanks to you fine people, I now know that that whole boat doesn’t even float ;). DAMN YOU, SPIKE! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/51 "2011-09-19T18:07:26Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Yeah, but if the worst that can happen is getting killed, there’s no reason to be more afraid of vampires than anyone else. Ted Bundy killed people. The only reason to have a story about a vampire is because there’s something specific about him that’s necessary to the story. So writers have changed the rules of vampires to create the story they want to tell. We no longer fear the same things we used to. I don’t think it’s just something that kills you. It’s something that charms you and even takes away your conscious control, only to kill you. And if you have to have them turn, you can make their lives an undead hell. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. You can still do a lot with conventional vampires. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/52 "2011-09-19T18:20:13Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > I must say that I’m truly disappointed with so many people giving so much credit to Vlad, I had no idea he wasn’t even a real part of vampire legend that much at all. If History Channel was hosting the Deadliest Warrior show and not Spike, then I’m sure they would have busted the myth about Vald starting it all, but those Spike morons went right ahead and gave full, 100% credit to Vlad, as if he was the father of vamps. I knew he wasn’t the real source so even at the time I thought them naming Vlad was a bit much, I went along with it though, thinking they weren’t too off base, but thanks to you fine people, I now know that that whole boat doesn’t even float ;). DAMN YOU, SPIKE! I think you’re giving the 2011 iteration of the History Channel too much credit. Time was when they would–very convincingly–blow the top off such nonsense as crop circles or ergot poisoning causing the Salem Witch Trials. Nowadays, they may not hop on the bandwagon with the same relish as other outlets, but they can’t be counted on to come down on the ration side, either. On the nocturnal nature of vampires: Paul Barber’s postulate is that vampire folklore springs from popular interpretation of physical signs around graveyards in preindustrial societies. In cultures without vaults, or even caskets in some instances, corpses do indeed get out of their graves. Specifically, animals dig them up. Since this usually happens at night, it would not have been uncommon for mourners to bury a person one day, then return the next morning to dress the grave–and find a hand (or more) emerging from the ground. If you see a bit of this while there is a deadly disease going around, it’s not hard to put two and two together and conclude that the recently departed has been up and about dragging the living toward their ultimate fate. It’s a simple enough thing: when something happens in the daytime, people generally see it and there’s no real mystery. When something happens at night, when it’s too dark to see and most everyone is asleep, conjecture takes over. That said, there ARE some Balkan folktales of vampires who are active during the day, but they are more removed from daily life than the accounts that inspired people to dig up graves. It’s not that folkloric vampires COULDN’T move about in the day, they just didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/53 "2011-09-19T19:18:30Z")
RationAL side, dadgummit! Oy, veh. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/54 "2011-09-19T19:53:43Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > On the nocturnal nature of vampires: Paul Barber’s postulate is that vampire folklore springs from popular interpretation of physical signs around graveyards in preindustrial societies. For anyone who’s interested, \*\*StusBlues \*\*is referring to Paul Barber’s _Vampires, Burial, and Death: Folklore and Reality_, one of the few good, scholarly books on this subject. In addition to corpses being dug up by animals, Barber also argues that people’s lack of understanding about the decomposition process was a factor in vampire folklore. It would have been fairly common knowledge that corpses become stiff (rigor mortis) after death, but in a time when most bodies were not embalmed and were buried quickly fewer people would have known that rigor mortis isn’t permanent. If burial were delayed, or a corpse was exhumed, observers might take the lack of stiffness in the body to mean that the person wasn’t truly dead. Some tales about exhumed “vampires” found to be bloated and with blood around their mouths also seem to be descriptions of normal decomposition. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/55 "2011-09-20T14:34:01Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Some tales about exhumed “vampires” found to be bloated and with blood around their mouths also seem to be descriptions of normal decomposition. Yep. Ditto the erections that corpses often sport. If you’re not up for Barber’s full text, he summarizes his main findings in a _Skeptical Inquirer_ article [here](http://www.csicop.org/si/show/staking_claims_the_vampires_of_folklore_and_fiction). He had a better one in \*Natural History \*(October, 1990), but it doesn’t seem to be online. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/56 "2011-09-21T16:30:43Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > True Blood vampires and Blade vampires seem to be very vulnerable to silver, you stab them with a silver knife, it just might work, yet Buffy vampires never seemed to have any aversion to silver. In the Buffyverse, silver is shown to work against werewolves and some demons. Not vampires. > [@](#): > > On Buffy they didn’t use garlic because someone on the cast (Nicholas Brendan, I think) was highly allergic to it, but you do sometimes see it in Buffy’s trunk of supplies, indicating it might work, they just aren’t using it. You also see garlic hung on students’ lockers in the Buffyless alternate version of Sunnydale in “[The Wish](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wish_(Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer)).” > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I can only remember a few times [on _Buffy_] where they fought freshly risen vamps and I don’t remember any instant kung fu. There was one fresh vampire I can recall with martial arts skills, in the (excellent) episode “[Conversations with Dead People](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_with_Dead_People),” and the vampire himself explains that he had gotten pretty good at taekwondo before his death. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/57 "2011-09-21T17:08:54Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by TBG > > True Blood vampires and Blade vampires seem to be very vulnerable to silver, you stab them with a silver knife, it just might work, yet Buffy vampires never seemed to have any aversion to silver. > > In the Buffyverse, silver is shown to work against werewolves and some demons. Not vampires. **Dracula** (George Hamilton): No, no, silver bullets are for _werewolves_. I’m a vampire. **Van Helsing** (Richard Benjamin): (still holding the smoking gun) Are you sure? –\*\* Love at First Bite\*\* Actually, silver bullets wrere originally for _witches_, as I learned a couple of years ago. They were switched to werewolves only in the 1930s. The effectiveness of silver against vampires might derive from a philosophy of “it works against one monster, so it might work against another”, or conceivanbly might be related to the close connection between vampires and werewolves (Dracula can turn into a wolf, after all). In any event, there’s no tradition of silver working against vampires, as far as I’m aware, before the 20th century. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/58 "2011-09-21T17:11:20Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > I think you’re giving the 2011 iteration of the History Channel too much credit. Time was when they would–very convincingly–blow the top off such nonsense as crop circles or ergot poisoning causing the Salem Witch Trials. Nowadays, they may not hop on the bandwagon with the same relish as other outlets, but they can’t be counted on to come down on the ration side, either. Agreed, History Channel is off their rocker on some things, specifically the “Ancient Aliens” nonsense. I think they’re just trying to get the ratings up with stuff like that, and since it can’t be proved one way or the other, they’ve decided to go out on a limb. Of course all it takes is someone to come along behind them and cut that limb…then where would they be :D. Right, the graveyard bit, I know if I lived back in the day and saw some body sticking out of the grave it wouldn’t take much convincing to get me to believe the undead were roaming around willy-nilly. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/59 "2011-09-22T17:57:00Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > In any event, there’s no tradition of silver working against vampires, as far as I’m aware, before the 20th century. That applies to a lot of stuff, much of which has already been mentioned. What surprises me is that no one in recent fiction (as far as I know) has gone after some of the more interesting vampire apotropaics that \*do \*have a traditional basis. The whole idea of the simple cross being effective, for example, is pretty scarce in folklore, and may not have existed at all before _Dracula_. Orthodox icons, however, \*were \*effective. I think a good storyteller could do well weaving in all the prayer and fasting invested in making an icon a holy thing capable of bending the undead fiend to the hunter’s will. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519/60 "2011-09-22T18:21:13Z")
> [@](#): > > That applies to a lot of stuff, much of which has already been mentioned. MUch of it by me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-have-they-done-with-vampires/596519.md?page=4)