# What if all the election-fixing suggested against Trump is proven true? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 29, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768 "2018-01-29T23:51:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/41 "2018-01-31T16:17:55Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > As for your off-topic screed on the Clinton Foundation, I find it to be an interesting insight on conservative opinion. Trump business ventures with foreign funding have nothing to do with anything, but anyone involved with a charity is probably corrupt. You previously posted > [@](#): > > The hypothetical isn’t just “we have discovered conclusive evidence that Trump conspired with Russians,” but also that it is established by some means that are not clear that this conspiracy changed the vote outcome. If we could determine somehow that Trump conspired and that it changed the elections, then we should equally be able to determine if Hillary conspired and it affected the elections the other way. Thus we would be able to determine whether or not it did actually affect the election, vs. being a wash. But don’t fight the hypothetical. We aren’t talking about business ventures, about which we already know and which have produced no evidence of conspiracy nor any indication that it affected the election in Trump’s favor. We are talking about new evidence. Although there would be no do-over if it was found that the Saudis conspired with Hillary either. As I think we have established, the fat lady has sung. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/42 "2018-01-31T16:19:17Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > If you require further assistance to understand the OP, I am happy to answer specific questions. But I think it speaks for itself. > > As for your off-topic screed on the Clinton Foundation, I find it to be an interesting insight on conservative opinion. Trump business ventures with foreign funding have nothing to do with anything, but anyone involved with a charity is probably corrupt. Would you agree that foreign involvement in elections, such as providing paid foreign party members to assist in your campaign is illegitimate regardless of the country, or would that only apply to countries that we deem hostile? Or does the issue revolve around whether political involvement in a campaign is covert? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/43 "2018-01-31T16:28:13Z")
Part of the EC is to insulate the election of the president from any in-priority that may have happened on the mass level of the elections. It is detachable from the common election. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/44 "2018-01-31T16:28:15Z")
I still want to know who the factions are going to be in this hypothetical civil war. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/45 "2018-01-31T16:33:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You previously posted If we could determine somehow that Trump conspired and that it changed the elections, then we should equally be able to determine if Hillary conspired and it affected the elections the other way. Thus we would be able to determine whether or not it did actually affect the election, vs. being a wash. Feel free to start your own thread with this hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/46 "2018-01-31T16:49:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sorry if I was unclear. The “nonsense” I was referring to was the fantasy that the House is going to pick HRC as Speaker and then impeach Trump and Pence at the same time (and get the Senate to convict), all so that HRC can take her “rightful” place as President. Snowballs have significantly better odds in Hell. Unclear?:dubious: That is not, in any way shape or form, what you said. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/47 "2018-01-31T17:05:35Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I still want to know who the factions are going to be in this hypothetical civil war. The Blues: Hillary Clinton Anderson Cooper Rosie O’Donnell the NFL antifa Black Lives Matter The Consolidated Gay Cake-Bakers of Ameruca (CGCB) The SEIU Norman Lear Big Pharma The Hedge Fund Executives’ All-Star Badminton Team DACA Dreamer’s Association Wolf Blitzer By Any Means Necessary Harvey Weinstein Louis C.K. Arnold Schwarzenegger SoCal & NorCal Matt Damon The CPUSA Socialists National Socialists MSNBC Russell Simmons Angela Merkel Miley Cyrus The Koch Brothers AllahPundit Meryl Streep The Girl Scouts of the United States of America The Washington Post Jennifer Lawrence Alec Baldwin The Labour Party of Great Britain Cher The Crips The Bloods Chelsea Handler Robert de Niro Lena Dunham Michael Moore The PFLP Logistical Support by Amazon Catering Services: Sprouts & Hollywood Craft Services Chaplain / Spiritual Services: Louis Farrakhan Military Uniforms designed by: Tom Ford The Reds: President Trump The United States Military MLB The Consolidated Evangelical and Muslim Cake Bakers of America (CEMCBA) The Indian-American All Star Cricket Team SCOTUS majority CentCal, aka New California Fox News Capitalists Narco-Capitalists (aka Libertarians) Jon Voight The Pheasant Pluckers The Pheasant Pluckers’ Sons Gene Simmons Ted Nugent Lou Ferrigno The Ancient and Honorable Order of Korean Liquor Store Owners Mike Rowe Hungary Mike Tyson The Boy Scouts of America Larry Elder Adam Baldwin Israel Logistical Support The NRA Catering Servuces: Whole Foods Chaplain / Spiritual Services: Gary Busey Military Uniforms designed by Tommy Hilfinger Sitting It Out and Waiting to Pick Up the Pieces: Bernie Sanders Omarosa Manigault ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/48 "2018-01-31T17:08:34Z")
Whole Foods is on the right-wing side. Suuuuuuuuure. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/49 "2018-01-31T17:13:35Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > The Blues: > Hillary Clinton > Anderson Cooper > Rosie O’Donnell > the NFL > antifa > Black Lives Matter > The Consolidated Gay Cake-Bakers of Ameruca (CGCB) > The SEIU > Norman Lear > Big Pharma > The Hedge Fund Executives’ All-Star Badminton Team > DACA Dreamer’s Association > Wolf Blitzer > By Any Means Necessary > Harvey Weinstein > Louis C.K. > Arnold Schwarzenegger > SoCal & NorCal > Matt Damon > The CPUSA > Socialists > National Socialists > MSNBC > Russell Simmons > Angela Merkel > Miley Cyrus > The Koch Brothers > AllahPundit > Meryl Streep > The Girl Scouts of the United States of America > The Washington Post > Jennifer Lawrence > Alec Baldwin > The Labour Party of Great Britain > Cher > The Crips > The Bloods > Chelsea Handler > Robert de Niro > Lena Dunham > Michael Moore > The PFLP > Logistical Support by Amazon > Catering Services: Sprouts & Hollywood Craft Services > Chaplain / Spiritual Services: Louis Farrakhan > Military Uniforms designed by: Tom Ford > The Reds: > President Trump > The United States Military > MLB > The Consolidated Evangelical and Muslim Cake Bakers of America (CEMCBA) > The Indian-American All Star Cricket Team > SCOTUS majority > CentCal, aka New California > Fox News > Capitalists > Narco-Capitalists (aka Libertarians) > Jon Voight > The Pheasant Pluckers > The Pheasant Pluckers’ Sons > Gene Simmons > Ted Nugent > Lou Ferrigno > The Ancient and Honorable Order of Korean Liquor Store Owners > Mike Rowe > Hungary > Mike Tyson > The Boy Scouts of America > Larry Elder > Adam Baldwin > Israel > Logistical Support The NRA > Catering Servuces: Whole Foods > Chaplain / Spiritual Services: Gary Busey > Military Uniforms designed by Tommy Hilfinger > > Sitting It Out and Waiting to Pick Up the Pieces: > Bernie Sanders > Omarosa Manigault Do you imagine this as the Blues v. the Reds or more of a multi-factional free for all with the nominally Blue or Red groups making temporary alliances of convenience? From my POV, there exists only a tiny number of either Reds or Blues that would be willing to actually carry this to and through the rifles stage. A better breakdown would be Yaps on the Internet v. Willing to Actually Kill People. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/50 "2018-01-31T17:29:05Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Do you imagine this as the Blues v. the Reds or more of a multi-factional free for all with the nominally Blue or Red groups making temporary alliances of convenience? From my POV, there exists only a tiny number of either Reds or Blues that would be willing to actually carry this to and through the rifles stage. A better breakdown would be Yaps on the Internet v. Willing to Actually Kill People. Well, Sarah Silverman called upon the military in a tweet to overthrow the President in a coup and establish a military junta until Hillary could be installed as President, so I would caller her more of a yap. Likewise Joss Whedon, who called on OTHER people to start a civil war to depose the President, but who himself is probably busy with important artistic endeavors, such as the next movie about a plucky young girl in a skin-tight costume who can beat up heavily armed SWAT team members with only a katana. So I didn’t include either of them. All talk, no action. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/51 "2018-01-31T17:33:33Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Whole Foods is on the right-wing side. Suuuuuuuuure. Well, that is kind of an anachronism on second thought. Their CEO was excoriated as a Trump supporter (actually, a libertarian) but now that it’s been bought by Jeff Bezos, crafts services tables will probably be supplied by local small business owners grateful for the new tax percentile they are in. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/52 "2018-01-31T17:49:29Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > … All talk, no action. Most people are “all talk, no action”, and that generally works out to our advantage. The last thing I want is more “Blues” who are “willing to actually carry this to and through the rifles stage.” ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/53 "2018-01-31T17:56:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Most people are “all talk, no action”, and that generally works out to our advantage. The last thing I want is more “Blues” who are “willing to actually carry this to and through the rifles stage.” The first thing to Red Army should do is change its name to the Blue Army. Blue was the color of the Union troops, the Army of the Republican forces during the last civil war, and Red is the traditional color of the Left, the Democratic Confederacy, Mao, Stalin, and antifa. I’ll never understand why that color symbolism was changed in American politics ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/54 "2018-01-31T17:57:52Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > The first thing to Red Army should do is change its name to the Blue Army. Blue was the color of the Union troops, the Army of the Republican forces during the last civil war, and Red is the traditional color of the Left, the Democratic Confederacy, Mao, Stalin, and antifa. I’ll never understand why that color symbolism was changed in American politics I agree. I fucking hate that conservatives got stuck with the color red. > **[Red states and blue states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#Origins_of_the_color_scheme)** > > Starting with the 2000 United States presidential election, the terms "red state" and "blue state" have referred to U.S. states whose voters vote predominantly for one party — the Republican Party in red states and the Democratic Party in blue states — in presidential and other statewide elections. By contrast, states where the vote fluctuates between the Democratic and Republican candidates are known as "swing states" or "purple states". Examining patterns within states reveals that the rever... ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/55 "2018-01-31T18:05:14Z")
Red and Republican both start with R. Easy to remember that way. Plus, the networks came to think that portraying the Democrats as red implied a link to Communism, or thought that many of their viewers would draw one (like you?), so they changed it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/56 "2018-01-31T18:27:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You do have rifles, right? Shotgun and handgun. I’d better get something longer-range. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/57 "2018-01-31T18:29:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Shotgun and handgun. I’d better get something longer-range. Yours don’t have red tips on the ends, do they? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/58 "2018-01-31T18:34:21Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > Yours don’t have red tips on the ends, do they? No, but one of them has a 15-round mag. 'Samatter, do you think only conservatives own REAL guns? ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/59 "2018-01-31T18:37:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Red and Republican both start with R. Easy to remember that way. > > Plus, the networks came to think that portraying the Democrats as red implied a link to Communism, or thought that many of their viewers would draw one (like you?), so they changed it. A modest proposal for our discussion, and maybe the Republic at large: Change Republican back to Blue, and the Democrats (or in our scenario, the armies of the #Resistance) to Pink. Why not? There’s no stigma attached to it now. It’s the official color of Breast Cancer Awareness, which we all support. Football players even wear pink! Politically, it’s long been associated with those who are far-Left/Progressive without actually crossing the line into Communism (“Parlor Pinks,” as coined in Tom Wolfe’s memorable article about Leonard Bernstein’s\* soiree\* to raise funds for the Black Panther Party). It has long been used by the LGBTQ community, which largely supports the Democrat Party, which in turn welcomes its support. The iconic Pink Pussy Hat has become a symbol of #Resistance to the Trumpian Patriarchy, although recently that has become an issue, as some #Resistance workers have angrily declared that not all vulvas are pink, and that due to the Transgender Community, not all women have pussies anymore. But still, it’s the best symbolic alternative. Team Blue vs. Team Pink, then. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/60 "2018-01-31T18:40:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > No, but one of them has a 15-round mag. > > 'Samatter, do you think only conservatives own REAL guns? No, but you only have 1 “gun”, a smoothbore. The other is a pistol, firearm, or “weapon”, dude. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768.md?page=4)