# What if all the election-fixing suggested against Trump is proven true? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 29, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768 "2018-01-29T23:51:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/61 "2018-01-31T18:42:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > No, but one of them has a 15-round mag. > > 'Samatter, do you think only conservatives own REAL guns? “one of them” & “a” magazine? [Those are rookie numbers](https://imgur.com/gallery/qEf86). To be serious for a second, I don’t think anyone was under the illusion that only conservatives own real guns, at least not since last year when a liberal shot Steve Scalise. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/62 "2018-01-31T18:44:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “one of them” & “a” magazine? [Those are rookie numbers](https://imgur.com/gallery/qEf86). > > To be serious for a second, I don’t think anyone was under the illusion that only conservatives own real guns, at least not since last year when a liberal shot Steve Scalise. Or that crazy fucker attacked the Family Research Council in D.C. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/63 "2018-01-31T18:50:03Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > No, but you only have 1 “gun”, a smoothbore. The other is a pistol, firearm, or “weapon”, dude. Please. I’ve owned _guns_ for over 30 years. Now shove off with your implications, stud. Btw, which branch of the military did _you_ serve in? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/64 "2018-01-31T18:53:09Z")
Yes, we get it, every side has their crazies. At least the Democrats don’t elect theirs to public office. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How can you impeach the President for illegitimacy but not the Vice President? > [@Shodan](#): > > We managed it somehow, twice. Are you saying Gore should have been automatically impeached? Er, no. Number of times a President has been impeached for illegitimacy: zero. It does bother me that we don’t have a mechanism for dealing with widespread voting machine (or voting machine result) tampering now that such a thing is technologically possible. “Influence” is one thing; it’s nebulous and virtually impossible to quantify. But messing with actual vote counts ought to cast the entire election into doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/65 "2018-01-31T19:00:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Please. I’ve owned _guns_ for over 30 years. Now shove off with your implications, stud. > > Btw, which branch of the military did _you_ serve in? U.S. Army. And you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/66 "2018-01-31T19:03:35Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > U.S. Army. And you? Navy. USNA and served on an LHA. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/67 "2018-01-31T19:21:21Z")
Everyone will cease the e-peen measuring. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/68 "2018-01-31T19:23:03Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Everyone will cease the e-peen measuring. > > [/moderating] You taught me a new term. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/69 "2018-01-31T19:27:40Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > A modest proposal for our discussion, and maybe the Republic at large: Change Republican back to Blue, and the Democrats (or in our scenario, the armies of the #Resistance) to Pink. > > Why not? 1. You concede the colors make no difference, so no reason to change. 2. Now that I know that Republicans dislike the color red, perhaps similarly to how liberals dislike the term “Democrat Party,” I’m going to start making constant references to the Red Party. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/70 "2018-01-31T19:30:02Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > 1. You concede the colors make no difference, so no reason to change. > 2. Now that I know that Republicans dislike the color red, perhaps similarly to how liberals dislike the term “Democrat Party,” I’m going to start making constant references to the Red Party. Some time ago, a Doper taught me that it’s polite to refer to people by the label(s) they would prefer. It’s a lesson I have really taken to heart and tried to abide by. For some reason, all this time, I thought that Doper was you. I guess I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/71 "2018-01-31T19:47:39Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > A modest proposal for our discussion, and maybe the Republic at large: Change Republican back to Blue, and the Democrats (or in our scenario, the armies of the #Resistance) to Pink. > > Why not? There’s no stigma attached to it now. It’s the official color of Breast Cancer Awareness, which we all support. Football players even wear pink! Politically, it’s long been associated with those who are far-Left/Progressive without actually crossing the line into Communism (“Parlor Pinks,” as coined in Tom Wolfe’s memorable article about Leonard Bernstein’s\* soiree\* to raise funds for the Black Panther Party). > > It has long been used by the LGBTQ community, which largely supports the Democrat Party, which in turn welcomes its support. The iconic Pink Pussy Hat has become a symbol of #Resistance to the Trumpian Patriarchy, although recently that has become an issue, as some #Resistance workers have angrily declared that not all vulvas are pink, and that due to the Transgender Community, not all women have pussies anymore. > > But still, it’s the best symbolic alternative. > > Team Blue vs. Team Pink, then. The GOP should be Team Brown, because they are full of shit, and they love fouling the environment with things like oil and coal exhaust. I mean Ted Nugent browned his own pants to get out of serving in the military. Seems to be quite fitting. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/72 "2018-01-31T19:52:04Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > The GOP should be Team Brown, because they are full of shit, and they love fouling the environment with things like oil and coal exhaust. I mean Ted Nugent browned his own pants to get out of serving in the military. Seems to be quite fitting. I was once reading some of the writings of a group of diarists in the Warsaw Ghetto. (I believe none of writers survived the war, but they had hidden the diaries which were dug up and published after the war.) Anyway, one joke going around the ghetto was “why is Hitler’s favorite time when he’s sitting on the toilet?” “Because then he knows for sure that the Brown masses are behind him …” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/73 "2018-01-31T19:59:58Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > 1. Now that I know that Republicans dislike the color red, perhaps similarly to how liberals dislike the term “Democrat Party,” I’m going to start making constant references to the Red Party. I have no problem with the term “Democrat party” and I have been a Democrat since before many posters here were born. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/74 "2018-01-31T20:00:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Some time ago, a Doper taught me that it’s polite to refer to people by the label(s) they would prefer. It’s a lesson I have really taken to heart and tried to abide by. For some reason, all this time, I thought that Doper was you. I guess I was wrong. I actually was kidding. > [@DrDeth](#): > > I have no problem with the term “Democrat party” and I have been a Democrat since before many posters here were born. You’re a man among men! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/75 "2018-01-31T20:19:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I have no problem with the term “Democrat party” Nor does any other Democrat I know. It simply does not produce the irritated reaction that its users somehow think will result. Its only effect is to brand the user as someone who not only thinks that \*will \*be the reaction, but \*wants \*it. Such a user merely brands himself as someone with nothing substantive to say. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/76 "2018-01-31T20:22:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Nor does any other Democrat I know. It simply does not produce the irritated reaction that its users somehow think will result. Its only effect is to brand the user as someone who not only thinks that \*will \*be the reaction, but \*wants \*it. Such a user merely brands himself as someone with nothing substantive to say. You’re reacting. You’re right here, larger than life, reacting and attributing motives to the people who use it. I’ve been a registered Democrat for 37 years and have never, til this moment, commented on it in any way. The names of the parties mean fuck-all, as do the nicknames. They could call themselves the Poopy and Doopy parties and switch names every other year and it would make no difference. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/77 "2018-01-31T20:23:31Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Nor does any other Democrat I know. It simply does not produce the irritated reaction that its users somehow think will result. Its only effect is to brand the user as someone who not only thinks that \*will \*be the reaction, but \*wants \*it. Such a user merely brands himself as someone with nothing substantive to say. Unless that person is indeed a Democrat himself. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/78 "2018-01-31T20:27:52Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You’re reacting. You’re right here, larger than life, reacting and attributing motives to the people who use it. Those motives are pretty well established. > [@](#): > > The names of the parties mean fuck-all, as do the nicknames. But those who intentionally, or perhaps extremely ignorantly, misstate an official name \*do \*think they mean something, of course. Something quite silly. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/79 "2018-01-31T20:31:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Those motives are pretty well established. > > But those who intentionally, or perhaps extremely ignorantly, misstate an official name \*do \*think they mean something, of course. Something quite silly. More attribution of motives. If these motives are well established, it shouldn’t be hard for you to find a cite or two or three from some Republicans admitting that is why they use the term. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768/80 "2018-01-31T20:42:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Nor does any other Democrat I know. It simply does not produce the irritated reaction that its users somehow think will result. Its only effect is to brand the user as someone who not only thinks that \*will \*be the reaction, but \*wants \*it. Such a user merely brands himself as someone with nothing substantive to say. Do you know [this guy?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18505260&postcount=13) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-all-the-election-fixing-suggested-against-trump-is-proven-true/807768.md?page=5)