# What If...? (Disney+ Series) \[Open Spoilers After First Post\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu, cartoons-animation\ **Created:** [August 11, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478 "2021-08-11T23:39:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/101 "2021-08-26T13:29:39Z")
Yeah, not following the whole premise here was kinda weird…that and the inappropriate humor was my biggest criticism. Come on guys (Marvel), I know you think you have to follow a formula here, but its a grim subject. Get serious for a moment. I liked it a lot…but at the same time it was kind of crappy writing. I think the comics have done a “What if Thor died early in his career” before, and it was a grief-stricken Odin, that came down. Blamed himself and Earth. THATS great pathos. Have the Allfather replace Loki…and when all is said and done Odin: “I have paid and then some…you have yet to deliver penance to Asgard.” THEN have the twist be Loki/Hiddleston show up at the UN. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/102 "2021-08-26T14:12:54Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > I liked it a lot…but at the same time it was kind of crappy writing. I’m taking that as a positive. It means Marvel is taking chances with new writers and directors. “What If…?” is a great, lower-pressure environment for developing your writing/directing chops. When it isn’t a tent-pole blockbuster, you can stretch some. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/103 "2021-08-26T18:37:57Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Come on guys (Marvel), I know you think you have to follow a formula here, but its a grim subject. Get serious for a moment. The DC stuff is over on HBO Max. I like my comics fun. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/104 "2021-08-26T18:40:25Z")
“Even rotting he smells like lavender”…thats not fun. ---
**Author:** ![jadielyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jadielyn/32/8808_2.png) [@jadielyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jadielyn)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/105 "2021-08-26T18:40:28Z")
I can’t take credit for noticing this (read it on other forums), but in the second Captain America flick, Natasha tells Steve about being shot by the Winter Soldier while protecting an engineer (the “no more bikinis” scar) near Odessa, TX. So this seems like they’re saying Bucky killed Hope Pym in this 'verse. I did catch the screen reference to Janet Pym when Natasha was accessing SHIELD files in the library… but was so caught up in the story my mind never jumped ahead to the “obvious” answer of Whodunnit. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/106 "2021-08-26T18:41:30Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > “Even rotting he smells like lavender”…thats not fun. I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/107 "2021-08-26T18:42:10Z")
Howard the Duck: “Gross.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/108 "2021-08-26T18:44:52Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > “Even rotting he smells like lavender”…thats not fun. It’s hilarious. The whole concept of _What if…_ going all the way back to the first issue of the comic book is that these are stories that aren’t meant to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/109 "2021-08-26T18:46:47Z")
Also, the idea that a decaying deity smells like flowers is cool in and of itself. There’s an appropriately mythic feel to that. Might use it in a D&D game at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/110 "2021-08-26T18:48:42Z")
There were tons of the What If? comics meant to be taken seriously. Also, in ‘the first issue of the comic-book’…Sue Storm leaves Reed for Namor, devastating the team, and leaving Spider-Man crushed for having joined the team…hilarious and fun. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47774/32.png) [@epbrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/111 "2021-08-27T09:38:04Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > THEN have the twist be Loki/Hiddleston show up at the UN. But that twist doesn’t tie into the existing MCU. The Avengers stopped Loki from conquering Earth on their first mission, making the twist that without them, Loki managed it in a day. He even delivers the same speech. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/112 "2021-08-27T10:01:13Z")
Who voiced Romanov? Not Scarlett Johansson surely. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/113 "2021-08-27T10:23:36Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > “Even rotting he smells like lavender”…thats not fun. …it’s Phil Coulson. For any other character it might not have worked. But this is Phil Fricken Coulson. And this is exactly the sort of thing he would say. Its entirely in character for him. ETA one of my favourite Coulson lines: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9hLz1ZV2jHY/hqdefault.jpg "Coulson (Agent of SHIELD) - "Can't touch this"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hLz1ZV2jHY) “Can’t touch this.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/114 "2021-08-27T10:37:54Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Who voiced Romanov? Not Scarlett Johansson surely. Lake Bell, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/115 "2021-08-27T10:40:20Z")
And very convincingly, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/116 "2021-08-27T14:28:13Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Also, in ‘the first issue of the comic-book’…Sue Storm leaves Reed for Namor, devastating the team, and leaving Spider-Man crushed for having joined the team…hilarious and fun. And in the next issues of Spider-Man and FF, it never happened. That story was never meant to be taken seriously. And yes, it was a fun issue. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/117 "2021-08-27T14:45:28Z")
And then some 20 issues later they did a sequel that was even more depressing. …now if we were talking about the issue where Aunt May became the herald of Galactus…or “Wonder Man and Power Man switched genders”… ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/118 "2021-08-27T14:57:04Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > And then some 20 issues later they did a sequel that was even more depressing. And that’s a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/119 "2021-08-27T15:04:35Z")
Golden Oldie (Aunt May’s Heraldname) is the ep I’d like to see - but since Galactus hasn’t been introduced in the MCU, it’s not likely we’ll see the Oldie. Now what if Spartacus had a Piper Cub is a different story ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478/120 "2021-08-27T15:04:50Z")
The only point Im arguing is “The What If? comics were never meant to be taken seriously”…a great many of them were meant to be taken seriously. Phoenix destroys the universe Korvac destroys the universe The Watcher shows up at Elektras funeral in the 616 to tell Matt there’s another timeline where he and Elektra are happy. Thor meets Conan…etc…etc… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-disney-series-open-spoilers-after-first-post/948478.md?page=7)