# What IF? GB had signed a peace treaty with Germany? WW2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 28, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347 "2022-09-28T00:11:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347/21 "2022-09-29T18:57:09Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > The point of this being the attack on the USSR gets going perhaps a month before it did historically. I recall Shirer saying the German attack on the USSR was delayed quite some time due to weather. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347/22 "2022-09-29T18:59:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Despite the interesting Small Change series by Jo Walton, I doubt that. Mind you there were lots of anti-antisemitism in GB, but also in American and many other nations. comments A B-24 member of the 'Dope said that he head antisemitic comments in the USAAF during the war. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347/23 "2022-09-30T03:56:39Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > Personally I think the USSR was close to that point around the battle of Moscow and if that had gone the other way Soviet resistance would have cracked. I think what might happen if Moscow is taken is Stalin is shot or otherwise overthrown. Whether the remaining Soviet government would have given up, though, I am not sure. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347/24 "2022-09-30T04:35:42Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think what might happen if Moscow is taken is Stalin is shot or otherwise overthrown. Whether the remaining Soviet government would have given up, though, I am not sure. Some historians have postulated that Stalin had a breakdown when the Nazis first attacked, and so it is not impossible that losing all three major cities and having no allies might have caused him to crack. To be fair, I do not think the Germans could have penetrated past the Urals. Thus- stalemate. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > A B-24 member of the 'Dope said that he head antisemitic comments in the USAAF during the war. Some Pundits say FDR was antisemitic. I can’t argue with them. > **[The Truth About FDR and the Jews - Brandeis Center](https://brandeiscenter.com/the-truth-about-fdr-and-the-jews/)** > > Seventy years ago last week, President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill sat down for lunch at the White House. As they ate, they reviewed the war effort and exchanged thoughts on their plans for the postwar era. At one point... ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347/25 "2022-09-30T13:23:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Some Pundits say FDR was antisemitic. I can’t argue with them. Most historians can. “Franklin Roosevelt enjoyed the overwhelming support of American Jews during his presidency, and the reasons are clear. In his three-plus terms from 1933 to 1945, he led the war against Hitler, supported a Jewish homeland in Palestine, appointed a Jew to the Supreme Court, chose another to be his secretary of the Treasury and surrounded himself with Jewish advisers who helped shape the laws that revolutionized the role of government in American life — what some critics sneeringly called the “Jew Deal.”” > **[. . . Congress Disposes (Published 2013)](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/books/review/fdr-and-the-jews-by-richard-breitman-and-allan-j-lichtman.html)** > > To fight World War II, Roosevelt needed support from legislators who wanted to keep out Europe’s Jews. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-gb-had-signed-a-peace-treaty-with-germany-ww2/972347.md?page=1)