# What if Hillary gets indicted? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397 "2015-11-12T19:15:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/61 "2015-11-14T04:14:38Z")
in a lot of trouble. I am an Independent, but some Democrats would be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/62 "2015-11-15T23:59:17Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Welcome back, **Phlosphr**. Been a while! šŸ˜‰ My thoughts exactly! Welcome back! ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/63 "2015-11-16T01:58:29Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > God DAMN it, thereā€™s ANOTHER fucking 2015 urban legend thatā€™s driving me nuts! Everyone who points out that Jeb! is a mook feels the need to talk about how ā€œlikableā€ W. was, in comparison. > > Dubya was NOT LIKABLE. He is a smarmy, smirking, incurious, weasel-faced assmonkey, and he always was, and if I were forced to ā€œhave a beerā€ with him I would pour it down the front of his trousers. And give him a whack on the balls with the empty. You have a point. ā€œDonā€™t Mess With Texasā€ was a bizarre campaign slogan. But then, I found Bill Clinton smarmy and unpleasant as well. I conclude that a significant bloc of USA voters do in fact like that kind of thing, somehow, or behave as if they do. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/64 "2015-11-16T02:02:04Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > I suspect that heā€™s referring to incumbent New Jersey Senator Robert Torricelli winning the Democratic primary in June, 2002, running into a major ethics scandal, dropping out of the campaign in September, and getting replaced on the ballot by Frank Lautenberg (who proceeded to win the general election). I thought of the 2000 US Senate contest in Missouri, where the Democratic nominee died during the campaign and won (against an incumbent) anyway, but thatā€™s not entirely the same. He wasnā€™t indicted, just unavailable. > [@GloryDays](#): > > If Hillary is indictedā€¦Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine will be the nominee. Heā€™s from Virginia. He was a governor. He was on Obamaā€™s VP list in 2008. He has national security experience. No, I donā€™t think he will be. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/65 "2015-11-16T02:16:05Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I thought of the 2000 US Senate contest in Missouri, where the Democratic nominee died during the campaign and won (against an incumbent) anyway, but thatā€™s not entirely the same. He wasnā€™t indicted, just unavailable. And his opponent was John Assā€¦er, Ashcroft. Whose inability to defeat a corpse wasnā€™t terribly surprising. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/66 "2015-11-16T02:33:59Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > If Hillary is indictedā€¦Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine will be the nominee. Heā€™s from Virginia. He was a governor. He was on Obamaā€™s VP list in 2008. He has national security experience. And who outside Virginia has heard of him? Itā€™s far too late in the game to bring in a no-name. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/67 "2015-11-16T04:29:56Z")
Actually, if you have a candidate under indictment thatā€™s exactly what you want. A fresh face. Plus if you have a brokered convention an unknown is usually the result, although Iā€™d imagine if Biden wanted the nomination the party would quickly coalesce around him. Given that itā€™s too late to bring in new candidates though, doesnā€™t it make sense for Oā€™Malley to remain in the race as the only viable option should Clinton become unelectable? There are a lot of outcomes short of indictment that would doom her candidacy. Iā€™d argue her candidacy is already doomed if not for the possibility she might face Ted Cruz in the general. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/68 "2015-11-16T15:20:20Z")
Good thing the thread is about a hypothetical, or else the laughter would be uproarious. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/69 "2015-11-16T15:48:02Z")
Hey, donā€™t shut him down, heā€™s just about to tell us how Hillary is doomed unless Ted Cruz gets the nod! ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/70 "2015-11-16T16:30:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > New Jersey, when they did the switcheroo like 3 days before the election cuz their guy got indicted. > > So I donā€™t want to hear that it was totally unexpected and itā€™s just so unfair that the Democrats canā€™t switch to Biden. Donā€™t worry. You wonā€™t hear thatā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/71 "2015-11-16T16:44:31Z")
Thatā€™s just totally unfair, and unexpected, and they can switch to Biden if they want to! Sorry, **Bridget** , just couldnā€™t stop myselfā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/72 "2015-11-16T18:10:38Z")
It doesnā€™t matter. Sheā€™s helpless before the Kasich juggernaut. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/73 "2015-11-16T18:57:13Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I think, after eight years of OBama appearing too willing to compromise, they want a Democrat that can stand firm against Republican foolishness and obstructionism. And not be afraid to call them out on it, push back hard. And they see Hillary as just that. HRC needs to pick up exactly this drum and beat it for all sheā€™s worth for the next 12 months. Iā€™d prefer Sanders but in order for him to be appreciably effective heā€™d need several dozen "mini-me"s to get elected into the congress at the same time. And his message is kinda complex anyway. But ā€œTheyā€™re demonstrable dickheads and charlatans and I have whupped their incompetent asses for over a yearā€ is a bit easier to grab onto. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/74 "2015-11-16T21:59:11Z")
Tell me, when have Democrats ever nominated a candidate that they have serious reservations about but thought the candidate was the most electable, and it ended well? ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/75 "2015-11-16T22:05:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Tell me, when have Democrats ever nominated a candidate that they have serious reservations about but thought the candidate was the most electable, and it ended well? Is there evidence of serious reservations outside of the fact that pundits express them? (No snark intended.) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/76 "2015-11-16T22:26:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Tell me, when have Democrats ever nominated a candidate that they have serious reservations about but thought the candidate was the most electable, and it ended well? What reservations? Most of the ā€œbaggageā€ you decry are goofy RW media whines. Benghazi, Whitewater, Vince Foster, Emailgate? Mostly a bunch of nonsense that the GOP voter vapidly eats like fishflakes in the aquarium. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/77 "2015-11-16T22:28:25Z")
How about the fact that nearly half of Democrats agree that she just says what she thinks people want to hear? [http://pollingreport.com/wh16.htm](http://pollingreport.com/wh16.htm) ANd itā€™s not like a lot of Dopers who are supporting her like her. They just hate Republicans more. But historically, that has never been enough. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/78 "2015-11-16T22:46:15Z")
I donā€™t think that that reflects ā€œserious reservationsā€. Furthermore I think the fact slightly more than three quarters of people in the same poll think Clinton has the best chance to win in 2016 demonstrates that no ā€œserious reservationsā€ exist. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/79 "2015-11-16T22:48:26Z")
Believing that your candidate has no actual beliefs is not a serious reservation? I just donā€™t get how Democrats think, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/80 "2015-11-16T22:56:18Z")
I suppose it could be bad if people thought she had no actual beliefs, but I donā€™t think people think that and Iā€™m not sure how you get that impression from the poll question under discussion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397.md?page=5)