# What if Hillary gets indicted? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397 "2015-11-12T19:15:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/81 "2015-11-16T22:58:38Z")
Does she say what she believes or does she say what people want to hear? The question is pretty clear. I don’t think Republicans would ever nominate a candidate who they thought was basically a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/82 "2015-11-16T23:00:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How about the fact that nearly half of Democrats agree that she just says what she thinks people want to hear? > > [Campaign 2016](http://pollingreport.com/wh16.htm) Tell me what the numbers are when she has the nomination. > [@](#): > > ANd it’s not like a lot of Dopers who are supporting her like her. They just hate Republicans more. But historically, that has never been enough. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/83 "2015-11-16T23:11:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Does she say what she believes or does she say what people want to hear? The question is pretty clear. I don’t think Republicans would ever nominate a candidate who they thought was basically a liar. If 46% of dems thought she was basically a liar that would be a big problem. Fortunately that’s not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/84 "2015-11-16T23:17:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Does she say what she believes or does she say what people want to hear? The question is pretty clear. I don’t think Republicans would ever nominate a candidate who they thought was basically a liar. It’s all in the spin. One man’s unprincipled waffler, is another man’s candidate who listens to the will of the American people, and one man’s principled straight shooter, is another man’s out of touch bull headed ideologue. Right now the Democrats are wanting someone who can work deals, prod, negotiate and do whatever it takes to actually get this government into a functional state. If that means paying lip service to this or that let it happen. Sure I’d rather have someone who by force of personality drive this nation on a progressive course, but I’m pragmatic enough to realize such a person in office would be another 4 years of nothing happening, and in the process would doom the progressive agenda for a generation. Far better to get a wheeler dealer in there who can actually put sausage on the table. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/85 "2015-11-16T23:21:26Z")
That’s the other problem: she’s an ink blot. Some of you say she’ll stand up to the Republicans better than Obama, some of you say she’ll be a better dealmaker. And which people is she listening to? All the people, or whichever people she needs to win the primary, at which point she shifts hard to the center for the general? Do any of you have any idea how she’ll govern? I’ll give you a hint: in whatever way is best for Hillary Clinton. Which means triangulation. Hope you guys enjoyed it the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/86 "2015-11-16T23:52:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Do any of you have any idea how she’ll govern? I agree with the 84% of dems polled that very or somewhat confident that Clinton wil make the right decisions about the economy and the 83% that are very or somewhat confident in Clinton’s ability to an international crisis. These are both from the poll you linked to earlier that shows that Clinton’s support among democrats is staggeringly high and not that democrats have serious reservations about her. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/87 "2015-11-17T00:04:04Z")
It’s possible that Democrats don’t have serious reservations about candidates that just tell people what they want to hear. Explains why they have yet to put the Republicans permanently in the minority. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/88 "2015-11-17T00:43:50Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > :Sigh: > > Another story by Fox News and carried only by Breitbart and The Daily Caller and The Daily Mail. Not a word from any reliable source of news. Going purely on their track record, there’s less than a 5% chance of anything coming from this. Probably closer to zero considering the silence from the news organizations who usually get things right. > > Doesn’t the Republican base ever get tired of being wrong and getting their chain yanked? Yeah… all those conservative media hit pieces from sources such as [The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/fbi-tracking-path-of-email-to-hillary-clinton-at-state-department.html?_r=0), [MSNBC](http://www.msnbc.com/newsnation/watch/fbi-investigating-clinton-s-email-server-498982467987), [Politico](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-probe-215630), and the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-probe-of-clinton-e-mail-expands-to-second-data-company/2015/10/06/3d94ba46-6c48-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html) reporting on Hillary Clinton’s email scandal. Such reliably [left leaning news sources](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/) must be out to get her? Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/89 "2015-11-17T01:39:13Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > Yeah… all those conservative media hit pieces from sources such as [The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/fbi-tracking-path-of-email-to-hillary-clinton-at-state-department.html?_r=0), [MSNBC](http://www.msnbc.com/newsnation/watch/fbi-investigating-clinton-s-email-server-498982467987), [Politico](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-probe-215630), and the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-probe-of-clinton-e-mail-expands-to-second-data-company/2015/10/06/3d94ba46-6c48-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html) reporting on Hillary Clinton’s email scandal. > > Such reliably [left leaning news sources](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/) must be out to get her? > > Sigh. IIUC none of the articles you cite focus on what is the current situation is, Hillary is not under investigation. DOJ has said that this is NOT a criminal investigation. As it was explained before this is really a bureaucratic fight about what security labels emais should get **after the fact**. And then there is the curiously forgotten item about intent, good look on demonstrating that Hillary was doing what is alleged with bad intentions. > **[Myths And Facts On Hillary Clinton's Email And Reports Of "Top Secret" Materials](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-nation/myths-and-facts-hillary-clintons-email-and-reports-top-secret-materials)** > > Media are exploiting news that two emails Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton turned over to the State Department from her time as secretary of state may be retroactively classified as "top secret" to push myths about Clinton's handling... Many allegations so far do remain that, speculation, and your cites there are indeed mostly full of that. One should also remember that the press has an interest on keeping the presidential contest a horse race. And they will not mind that some in the right in positions of power will get them what they need. > **[Politico Fails To Disclose Right-Wing Ties Of Source Commenting On FBI...](https://www.mediamatters.org/politico/politico-fails-disclose-right-wing-ties-source-commenting-fbi-investigation-clintons-email)** > > Politico interviewed retired FBI senior official Ron Hosko about the FBI investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's email without disclosing Hosko's role as president of the right-wing Law Enforcement... > [@](#): > > Politico Fails To Disclose Right-Wing Ties Of Source Commenting On FBI Investigation Into Clinton’s Email > Media Outlets Have Repeatedly Cited Ron Hosko Without Noting His Leadership Of A Right-Wing Organization ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/90 "2015-11-17T01:49:23Z")
Just another comment here: > [@Iggy](#): > > Such reliably [left leaning news sources](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/) must be out to get her? > > Sigh. Yes, and I can say this after looking at the matter for many years, the media is not liberal as issues like this demonstrates. They do equivocate too much when many pro and con positions are not really equally reasonable, like when they allow climate change deniers with no expertise in the matter to counter scientists being interviewed on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/91 "2015-11-17T02:35:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey, don’t shut him down, he’s just about to tell us how Hillary is doomed unless Ted Cruz gets the nod! Ted CRUZ? Even the people on his side agree that he has the most punchable face in Washington. But Ted will only accept face-punchings from graduates of Harvard, Princeton, or Yale. No punches from folks from the “lesser Ivies.” If you were at Cornell, Brown, or Penn, you have to settle for kicking him in the balls. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/92 "2015-11-17T04:04:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I just don’t get how Democrats think, apparently. Oh…SO tempting. :rolleyes: > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > One man’s unprincipled waffler, is another man’s candidate who listens to the will of the American people, and one man’s principled straight shooter, is another man’s out of touch bull headed ideologue. QFT. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/93 "2015-11-17T10:05:57Z")
Naturally there is a lot of room in between, but no one would ever confuse Hillary Clinton with a straight talker, and her populism only applies to those she needs at any given time. For example, right now her education plan favors the teachers’ unions(thanks for the endorsement over Bernie!) whereas Obama’s policy was more reformist. a Clinton Presidency will be the most purely transactional Presidency we’ve seen in a long time. You’ll definitely have to pay to play. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/94 "2015-11-17T17:16:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s the other problem: she’s an ink blot. Some of you say she’ll stand up to the Republicans better than Obama, some of you say she’ll be a better dealmaker. I don’t see that those are mutually exclusive. A shrewd negotiator knows when to use the carrot but also when to bring out the stick. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/95 "2015-11-17T18:31:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > For example, right now her education plan favors the teachers’ unions . . . So much the better. I trust teachers’ unions more than any other organized voice in society to want and to do what’s best for the kids. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/96 "2015-11-17T18:41:26Z")
The teachers have been one of the Republicans’ favorite straw enemies for years, along with the unions in general and the trial lawyers. Something about their opposing ignorance, and making contributions to Democratic candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/97 "2015-11-17T18:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > What if Hillary gets indicted? Does that statement mean she will have to answer more questions? This doesn’t mean that she will be arrested, right? What if the cover up **not to have Hillary Clinton appear for any more questions** on her emails or her server becomes public? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/98 "2015-11-17T20:35:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So much the better. I trust teachers’ unions more than any other organized voice in society to want and to do what’s best for the kids. So the solution is always more money, less accountability, and more raises for things that don’t actually matter much empirically(like getting higher degrees). [http://www.ideastream.org/stateimpact/2012/07/18/liberal-think-tank-says-advanced-degrees-dont-make-better-teachers/](http://www.ideastream.org/stateimpact/2012/07/18/liberal-think-tank-says-advanced-degrees-dont-make-better-teachers/) I’m also still amazed that no one seems to see Clinton’s moves to the left as insincere pandering, to be discarded the second she doesn’t need them anymore, which would be right around April if things go as planned. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/99 "2015-11-17T21:47:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m also still amazed that no one seems to see Clinton’s moves to the left as insincere pandering, to be discarded the second she doesn’t need them anymore, which would be right around April if things go as planned. Oh, I see her leftward move as a cynical ploy, but I’m voting for Bernie anyway. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397/100 "2015-11-17T22:09:38Z")
I like Clinton a LOT better than Obama, as I’ve made clear here many times. I know that if she’s elected, we will do a lot of good business together because she’s looking out for her own career first and foremost(as well as her post-Presidential financial connections). I understand the pragmatic case for Clinton. What I don’t get are the enthusiastic supporters. Even those who want to see the first female President. Do we really want the first female President to be someone whose husband was President first? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-gets-indicted/737397.md?page=6)