# What if Hillary took one for the team? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 7, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248 "2016-09-07T02:08:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Alpheidae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Alpheidae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpheidae)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/41 "2016-09-08T08:15:18Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > How did the urban myth get started that Hillary Clinton rigged the primaries? Well, you see, some staffers at the DNC felt that Hillary would be a better president than Bernie. So they started talking amongst themselves, seeing that Bernie was way behind but not dropping out, and wondered if there was anything they could do to get his support to collapse. Maybe question his Jewish faith, maybe imply that he was an atheist to make someone’s Southern Baptist peeps not want to vote for Bernie. Then they didn’t do any of those things. So yep, totally rigged. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/42 "2016-09-08T08:37:38Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > What if the Republicans took one for the good of the country and threw their support behind Democrats in every race because Democrats: > > 1. Are generally more honest > 2. Get things done > 3. Protect the poor, the weak, women, minorities, etc. > 4. Typically create sensible laws not based on their interpretation of a book written by shepherds thousands of years ago > 5. Want to create unity, not divisiveness among races Excellently put. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/43 "2016-09-08T14:54:08Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And admitted her health had failed her and she dropped out? > > BUT, she endorsed her VP Tim Kaine to be President? > > I have no doubt Kaine would win and still Hillary could go on her way with her head held high and still be honored as one of the greatest women in history. > > What do you all think? I think you need to cite whatever evidence you have for Hillary’s failing health so we can have an intelligent, fact based, discussion on the subject. As with similar threads of the past, I believe you’ll decline to do so. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/44 "2016-09-08T16:50:33Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Cite that Hillary “rigged” the primaries? Bernie is super-duper awesome. Bernie lost. Therefore, the primaries were rigged. Q.E.D. Hillary’s been running for president since releasing _Living History_ in 2003. Even if her doctor told her she was guaranteed to drop dead January 21, 2017, there’s no way she’s dropping out. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/45 "2016-09-08T17:14:20Z")
I think we’ve moved past any resentment over Sanders’ loss. It’s the Trump people who are making the “Hillary cheats” claims now. Why? Well, they pretty much have to, don’t they? Trump is losing and has been all along. He’s losing so badly that the OP admits that even if Clinton quit, Trump would probably still lose. Do Trump supporters want to admit they backed a loser? Does Trump want to admit he is a loser? No. So they’re claiming Clinton must be cheating. She’s not winning the election, she’s stealing it. Trump would be winning in a fair election. There’s no evidence of this, of course. And it doesn’t make any sense. But it’s comforting to people who are scared and confused because they don’t understand what’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/46 "2016-09-08T18:10:00Z")
> [@johnt](#): > > da: So, your theory is that isis was emailing hillary while she was at benghazi, murdering four people solely with her teeth, powered by insane bloodlust and an unquenchable thirst for power, while at the same time her cruel minions were rigging the dnc primary by convincing some old fart to join the party 1 month before he ran as its nominee for president, a man with no contacts, no initial organization, and not a great understanding of the rules? > > I think you cracked the case, good sir! > > :d WHY WON’T YOU SAY “RADICAL ISLAM”?!?!?!?!?! eta:WHY DOES THIS BOARD AUTOCORRECT TO LOWERCASE?!?!?! Did you hear that her foundation is the primary funding source for ISIS? People are saying… ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/47 "2016-09-08T18:13:58Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > What if the Republicans took one for the good of the country and threw their support behind Democrats in every race because Democrats: > > 1. Are generally more honest > 2. Get things done > 3. Protect the poor, the weak, women, minorities, etc. > 4. Typically create sensible laws not based on their interpretation of a book written by shepherds thousands of years ago > 5. Want to create unity, not divisiveness among races > > If Reince Preibus were to direct the RNC to help out Democrats, he’d be hailed as the greatest statesman since Lincoln! That plus the Democrats today are like the Republicans from before the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/48 "2016-09-08T18:15:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Give credit”? In God we trust, all others, cash. You are soooo banned from North Korea. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/49 "2016-09-08T19:00:00Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And admitted her health had failed her and she dropped out? > > BUT, she endorsed her VP Tim Kaine to be President? > > I have no doubt Kaine would win and still Hillary could go on her way with her head held high and still be honored as one of the greatest women in history. > > What do you all think? With Hillary having a very good shot at winning, why back down? Would be foolish, IMHO unless she really was too sick to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/50 "2016-09-11T00:39:36Z")
We have health reports on Hillary Clinton. Here is her physician letter. It doesn’t read like a note from a 12 year old. [A Letter From Hillary Clinton’s Doctor - The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html) Trump’s letter in contrast is a joke. We don’t have a solid grip on his medical history. I’ll quote myself: > [@Trump's health](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/16): > > This. We don’t have his tax records and we don’t have any real medical records. Apply [Trump’s razor](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-scythian-slice-of-trump-s-razor): assume the stupidest explanation consistent with the available facts. Trump is probably on stimulants (diet pills) which partly explains his erratic behavior. He probably has undisclosed medical conditions. He is after all 70 years old. > > To review, here’s the first paragraph of the Onionesque medical letter. [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] I have been the personal physician of Mr. Donald J Trump since 1980. His previous physician was my father, Dr. Jacob Bornstein. Over the past 39 years, I am pleased to report that Mr. Trump has had no significant medical problems. Mr Trump has had a recent complete medical examination that showed only positive results. Actually his blood pressure, 110/65, and laboratory test results were astonishingly excellent. [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] Only positive results to lab tests? Sounds like a bad thing, technically. Astonishingly excellent? Real physicians don’t write that way. [Daily Beast](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/14/the-donald-s-trumped-up-medical-report.html): “Donald Trump’s doctor released a medical report so silly that when we asked the American Medical Association about its language, their spokesman started to laugh.” > [https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Health\_Record.pdf](https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Health_Record.pdf) We know less about Trump’s health or finances than any major Presidential candidate in modern history. He is hiding a lot IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/51 "2016-09-11T01:20:10Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And admitted her health had failed her and she dropped out? > > BUT, she endorsed her VP Tim Kaine to be President? > > I have no doubt Kaine would win and still Hillary could go on her way with her head held high and still be honored as one of the greatest women in history. > > What do you all think? What it could be found that by high pressure fracking, the BS of certain individual members the GOP could be turned into a semi-renewable cheap source of energy? Would you encourage that “tiny percentage” of the GOP to take the nozzle for the team? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/52 "2016-09-12T17:32:14Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Even if Hillary were dying from Malignant Throat Chlamydia - why would she drop out? She’s winning comfortably. Go ahead and get the win, then, when she kicks it, Kaine takes over anyway. Ditching before the finish line is way riskier. I’ve been using this argument with people who hate Hillary. Me: Well, I’m not happy about it but I’m voting for Hillary. Them: Did you know that she has failing health? Me: AWESOME, so my vote for Hillary might actually be a vote for Tim Kaine? I’m gonna vote for her twice. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/53 "2016-09-12T17:39:45Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And admitted her health had failed her and she dropped out? > > BUT, she endorsed her VP Tim Kaine to be President? > > I have no doubt Kaine would win and still Hillary could go on her way with her head held high and still be honored as one of the greatest women in history. > > What do you all think? Well, this plan of yours to help out the Democratic Party(unexpected as it was coming from your quarter) doesn’t seem to be a good idea in the long run, does it? Doe you have any more ideas to defeat the Republicans this fall, our newfound Democratic ally? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/54 "2016-09-12T20:17:05Z")
Actually[HERE](http://freebeacon.com/politics/roberts-democrats-whispering-clinton-step-aside-race/)is an article thats mentioning “whispers” among democrats. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/55 "2016-09-12T20:28:05Z")
The _Washington Free Beacon_? That may be an unimpeachable non-partisan source, I don’t know, having never heard of them. What else we got here…ah!..“Hillary Clinton’s Pneumonia Spread to Campaign Staffers”. Mmmm, yes. Quite. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/56 "2016-09-12T22:20:54Z")
Here is [another article](http://www.theamericanmirror.com/kaine-talks-like-top-ticket-not-going-lose-race/)where Kaine says and talks like the HE was at the top of the ticket. And supposedly Obama and other top democrats are already [creating a plan B.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-health-replace-contingency-228037) So maybe I wasnt so far off? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/57 "2016-09-12T22:26:34Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And supposedly Obama and other top democrats are already [creating a plan B.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-health-replace-contingency-228037) > > So maybe I wasnt so far off? Barack Obama wasn’t mentioned in that story once. Where have you read that he’s part of creating a Plan B? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/58 "2016-09-12T22:27:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Here is another article where… Not that often I am offered a citation source with the opportunity to contribute to the “Hillary for Prison” fund. Very droll! ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/59 "2016-09-13T20:24:08Z")
The article points out that the DNC would have to choose her replacement which as people have stated, should be Bernie Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248/60 "2016-09-13T20:45:36Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > The article points out that the DNC would have to choose her replacement which as people have stated, should be Bernie Sanders. Which people? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-hillary-took-one-for-the-team/765248.md?page=4)