# What If I am Actually right? \[movements of poles\]
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [February 4, 2011, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125 "2011-02-04T06:08:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 10, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/161 "2011-02-10T22:18:14Z")
> [@Lemur866](#):
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> Because there was less snow in Alaska.
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> Two weeks ago we had a light snowfall here. The grocery store where I live plowed their parking lot and piled all the snow in a big heap in the corner. Two days later, it got a bit warmer and all the snow melted.
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> Except, remarkably, for the snow in the big pile. It stayed for two weeks!
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> How was that possible? It was the same temperature. But for some reason, the one inch of snow melted completely, but the 6 foot deep pile of snow had melted to a 3 foot pile of snow. It didn’t melt in the pile, why? And it melted on my lawn, why?
I get the part about snow melts when it warms up but why didn’t it melt in spain and did in Alaska? Why didn’t Spain warm up? Why was there 3 miles of ice there and Alaska none?
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### Author:  [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)
#### Post date: [February 10, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/162 "2011-02-10T22:27:44Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> I get the part about snow melts when it warms up but why didn’t it melt in spain and did in Alaska? Why didn’t Spain warm up? Why was there 3 miles of ice there and Alaska none?
Spain was warmer.
It didn’t melt in Spain even though Spain was warmer than Alaska, for the same reason the pile of snow in the parking lot didn’t melt but the one inch of snow on my lawn did.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/163 "2011-02-11T01:33:40Z")
**N8N8N8N** , what, as you understand it, is the definition of a desert? Please do not elaborate on the answer; just tell us what properties a region must have for you to consider it a desert.
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/164 "2011-02-11T05:12:59Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> **N8N8N8N** , what, as you understand it, is the definition of a desert? Please do not elaborate on the answer; just tell us what properties a region must have for you to consider it a desert.
lack of precipitation. WHich has abolutely nothing to do why there was an ice cap in Spain and none in alaska the ocean did not freeze in the west.
The Arctic Ocean between the huge ice sheets of America and Eurasia was not frozen throughout, but like today probably was only covered by relatively shallow ice, subject to seasonal changes and riddled with icebergs calving from the surrounding ice sheets. According to the sediment composition retrieved from deep-sea cores there must even have been times of seasonally open waters.[7]
7.^ Robert F. Spielhagen et al.: Arctic Ocean deep-sea record of northern Eurasian ice sheet history. Quaternary Science Reviews, Vol. 23, No. 11-13, pp. 1455–1483, 2004. Abstract: doi:10.1016/j.quascirev.2003.12.015
The damn snowfall in Alaska does not matter its a non issue. Spain had 3 miles of ice on it alaska and the Arctic ocean had none. It does not matter how much snow is in your back yard. It was warmer in Alaska HOW because it was further South than it is today its just that simple.
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/165 "2011-02-11T05:20:08Z")
> [@Lemur866](#):
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> Spain was warmer.
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> It didn’t melt in Spain even though Spain was warmer than Alaska, for the same reason the pile of snow in the parking lot didn’t melt but the one inch of snow on my lawn did.
Spain was warmer and had a 3 mile ice cap… Why does that statement make no sense to me? Doe it not make more sense that Spain was at the north pole at the time and Alaska was further south? Surely you can see the logic in that.
Put England at the north pole and Spain is covered in ice and Alaska is where Japan is now No ice in Alaska icecap in Spain. Snowfall will determine the thickness of the icecap not the temperature.
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### Author:  [@iamnotbatman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamnotbatman)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/166 "2011-02-11T09:15:57Z")
You continue to show that you don’t understand basic climatology (ie that there exist deserts at high latitudes and locations of high precipitation at low latitudes, examples of higher temperatures at higher latitudes and lower temperatures and lower latitudes, as well as examples of higher glaciation or snow fall/retention at lower latitudes compared to examples at higher latitudes). But all of that is moot anyways – your theory is easily testable and is shown to be wrong. OK? Magnetic north moves at ~50km per year, meaning that according to your theory satellites (to say nothing of stars/planets whose motion we track with great accuracy) should be seen to uniformly systematically drift off their orbit ~50km per year. This is not observed. Your theory is falsified. Deal with it. If you were interested in the truth, you would accept this rather than clinging ever more desperately to your theory in the face of contradictory evidence.
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/167 "2011-02-11T10:25:26Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> Spain was warmer and had a 3 mile ice cap… Why does that statement make no sense to me? Doe it not make more sense that Spain was at the north pole at the time and Alaska was further south? Surely you can see the logic in that.
> Put England at the north pole and Spain is covered in ice and Alaska is where Japan is now No ice in Alaska icecap in Spain. Snowfall will determine the thickness of the icecap not the temperature.
Why is it easier to believe that the continents are bouncing around like Lotto balls than it is to believe that Spain got more snow than Alaska in its current location?
Georgia recently got a lot more snow than England despite being much further south. By your argument that shouldn’t be possible unless Georgia had migrated somewhere north of Greenland.
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### Author:  [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/168 "2011-02-11T15:52:59Z")
> [@iamnotbatman](#):
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> You continue to show that you don’t understand basic climatology …
That statement could be ended after the word “understand” and it would probably be accurate.
[QUOTE=N8N8N8N]
I say the earth was at a different angle the what is isnow
[/QUOTE]
You’re right. But what you don’t grasp is (1) the rotational axis relative to Earth was the same as it is now, and (2) back then the axis was on its side. So all the snow fall and ice cap in Alaska fell off into space.
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/169 "2011-02-11T16:07:13Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#):
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> You’re right. But what you don’t grasp is (1) the rotational axis relative to Earth was the same as it is now, and (2) back then the axis was on its side. So all the snow fall and ice cap in Alaska fell off into space.
You are a bad man.
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### Author:  [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/170 "2011-02-11T16:45:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#):
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> You are a bad man.
:bows:
It’s not like I didn’t warn anybody.
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/171 "2011-02-11T20:34:36Z")
> [@iamnotbatman](#):
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> You continue to show that you don’t understand basic climatology (ie that there exist deserts at high latitudes and locations of high precipitation at low latitudes, examples of higher temperatures at higher latitudes and lower temperatures and lower latitudes, as well as examples of higher glaciation or snow fall/retention at lower latitudes compared to examples at higher latitudes). But all of that is moot anyways – your theory is easily testable and is shown to be wrong. OK? Magnetic north moves at ~50km per year, meaning that according to your theory satellites (to say nothing of stars/planets whose motion we track with great accuracy) should be seen to uniformly systematically drift off their orbit ~50km per year. This is not observed. Your theory is falsified. Deal with it. If you were interested in the truth, you would accept this rather than clinging ever more desperately to your theory in the face of contradictory evidence.
I understand inversion those are isolated events that take place ocasionally and for short periods. does not explain the lack of sea ice in the western arctic. Drift id 50kn per year but you idea that the gps systems navagting off the magnetic pole is false. Directions on earth ar taken bu compass on magnetic north declanated at defferent longitiueds to indicate true north. GSP systems orientate off true north and the overlaying grid to accomodate navagation three readings triangulate your position on the globe the earth could be sideways and true north would not change magnetic and celestial would.
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/172 "2011-02-11T20:38:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#):
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> Why is it easier to believe that the continents are bouncing around like Lotto balls than it is to believe that Spain got more snow than Alaska in its current location?
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> Georgia recently got a lot more snow than England despite being much further south. By your argument that shouldn’t be possible unless Georgia had migrated somewhere north of Greenland.
Your talking about 1 bad winter I’m talking about 30,000 of them in a row with no summers. hardly a good compairison. And snow relates to precipitation they were both cold just rained more white stuff in georgia.
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/173 "2011-02-11T20:42:41Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#):
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> That statement could be ended after the word “understand” and it would probably be accurate.
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> You’re right. But what you don’t grasp is (1) the rotational axis relative to Earth was the same as it is now, and (2) back then the axis was on its side. So all the snow fall and ice cap in Alaska fell off into space.
Ahhh now ya know your making headway when the argument of God or aliens get thrown into the mix to facilitate action. Can’t explain it make somthing up. Who can argue with the aliens flipped the world and the snow fell off. I can’t prove that didn’t happen so there for you must be right. :smack:
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### Author:  [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/174 "2011-02-11T21:01:35Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> Ahhh now ya know your making headway when the argument of God or aliens get thrown into the mix to facilitate action. Can’t explain it make somthing up. Who can argue with the aliens flipped the world and the snow fell off. I can’t prove that didn’t happen so there for you must be right. :smack:
You’re the one who brought up deities and aliens. I never asserted how the rotational axis moved with respect to distant stars.
And in reply to you replying to **Gyrate** – how do you know that for 30,000 years there was never a season known to us as “summer”? Just because summer was skipped one year in modern times doesn’t mean it was skipped 30k times in a row.
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### Author:  [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/175 "2011-02-11T21:06:01Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> I only have a grade four education.
That explains it.
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### Author:  [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/176 "2011-02-11T21:12:00Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> Me too My wife has a Doctorate in English wonderful woman love her dearly but she can’t remember the reciepe for boiling water. 🙂
Don’t worry; global warming will have your water boiling for dinner tonight.
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### Author:  [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/177 "2011-02-11T21:15:30Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> Your talking about 1 bad winter I’m talking about 30,000 of them in a row with no summers. hardly a good compairison. And snow relates to precipitation they were both cold just rained more white stuff in georgia.
See, this is where you are totally, absolutely, and in all other ways, incorrect.
It is not true that there was no summer during the Ice Ages.
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### Author:  [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/178 "2011-02-11T21:32:00Z")
> [@Muffin](#):
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> That explains it.
That and the Immanuel Velikovsky Compendium (26 Volumes) subscription the OP apparently had as a child.
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### Author:  [@iamnotbatman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamnotbatman)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/179 "2011-02-11T21:37:22Z")
> [@N8N8N8N](#):
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> I understand inversion those are isolated events that take place ocasionally and for short periods. does not explain the lack of sea ice in the western arctic. Drift id 50kn per year but you idea that the gps systems navagting off the magnetic pole is false. Directions on earth ar taken bu compass on magnetic north declanated at defferent longitiueds to indicate true north. GSP systems orientate off true north and the overlaying grid to accomodate navagation three readings triangulate your position on the globe the earth could be sideways and true north would not change magnetic and celestial would.
Incomprehensible. But funny.
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### Author:  [@N8N8N8N](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N8N8N8N)
#### Post date: [February 12, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-if-i-am-actually-right-movements-of-poles/570125/180 "2011-02-12T00:49:15Z")
> [@Lemur866](#):
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> See, this is where you are totally, absolutely, and in all other ways, incorrect.
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> It is not true that there was no summer during the Ice Ages.
Your suggesting these 3 mile icecaps formed in winter and melted each year? We went over the 30 miles of snow needed to make 3 miles of ice… and average 1/4 mile deep of snow each day not to mention it has to compace into ice before spring.??? There was no summerit never got above freezing thats why its an ice age no heat for 30,000 years.
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