Is this a serious question? Do you think the Iranian-backed militia attacked our embassy for shits and giggles?
It seems like this point is eternally going to sail over your head, but nobody except you is trying to talk about the killing just on its own merits. The value of a military action must be justified based on the cost vs. benefits. It seems like the short-term cost was 176 dead people. It could have been a lot more, and we simply don’t know what the long-term costs are yet. It would be foolish to assume there won’t be any given the complexity of the region.
If we’re asked to leave, and we don’t, then now we are a military occupier of Iraq. Do you remember how that went last time around? It didn’t go well.
Or, “we” can agree on how full of shit you are. Soleimani and the IRGC have been identified as terrorists (by the Bush Administration) primarily because their actions allegedly resulted in the deaths of many Americans — who were there solely because of the Iraq War – the war which W lied the US into.
So, tell me, who is the real terrorist here, and why is he still alive?
If Solemaini had dropped dead at random, or from a disgruntled Iranian attack, or some other non-US cause, then that’d be great. But killing him with military force was almost certainly a massive blunder that will backfire and harm America far more than it helped. Because that’s what unilateral US military action from afar against state actors in the Middle East does, as a rule.
Is that all you think Suleimani did?
And that makes this killing inappropriate how?
Yep. They were complying with the nuclear deal by all accounts. So how does that excuse suleimani’s actions? How does that make him in any less need of killing?
Ah so we should have let Suleimani continue to target and kill americans so that Iran won’t force us to bomb the shit out of them when they start up their nuclear program again.
Still waiting for an explanation for why Suleimani didn’t deserve to die.
If all the things he did earlier were worth his death, why did we wait until now?
Because it was done in a neutral country while he was attempting to ease tensions.
This is farcical at this point.
Awaiting your enlistment to go fight the Great Devil of Iran.
You’re waiting because this is irrelevant. Doesn’t matter that he was evil. What matters is whether this helps or hurts the US – and in all likelihood it’s going to hurt us and make our country weaker. That’s what irrational, incompetent flailing tends to do.
He’s so cute and we all have a thing for daddys.
Case in point; I did not shed a tear when Epstein died and I believe the world is better when he’s not breathing. But I’d preferred if he had at least lived long enough to be interrogated, to stand trial, and for the wheels of justice to turn fully. I definitely would not have advocated a vigilante street killing of him in lieu of prosecution.
I’m not saying this is equivalent to the Iranian situation because we can’t go arrest one of their generals, but it does support the specific point I believe you are making.
If you think this kind of thing is a bad idea because there MIGHT be some sort of repercussions to killing a guy responsible for countless civilian deaths and a significant number of american deaths and you haven’t lost family and loved ones to Suleimani’s actions and don’t have any loved ones that might be hurt by Suleimani’s actions, then you are a fucking pathetic snivelling coward who want to appease tyrants and murderers just so that they don’t have to worry about a country like Iran attacking us. You should stay in your basement and stop inflicting your actual cowardice that is costing us actual american lives on the rest of us.
Fuck all the actual cowards, now and forever.
I don’t actually believe this but your sentiments apply equally and more accurately to the folks who think we shouldn’t have killed this guy who was actively killing Americans because they think Iran might kill americans.
We shouldn’t have done it because it was incompetent, irrational flailing against a state actor. There are a million ramifications that this could cause, and almost all of them are bad for America. We should act with restraint, because not doing so unleashes chaos.
Why are you not advocating US using its power to kill all the thousands upon thousands of other evil people around the world? Why was killing this single guy so important and valuable for America, and why are you so unconcerned by the ramifications of using American force abroad?
And I do have friends (and former comrades) serving abroad, including in Iraq. They’re now far more at risk than they were before. Why do you think the US military ordered so many of our people to leave Iraq after the irrational attack? So fuck you for putting my friends at greater risk, with no risk to yourself, just because you believe in the idiotic Rumsfeldian usage of force.
You sure talk a big game about sending others to die.
So did Saddam (see baathists)
I’m not sanguine either but if they pull something like 9/11, I’m would say we should bomb the shit out of them until the populace brings us any surviving members of the supreme council with a bow on top. I am happy to just wash our hands of the place. Aside from maybe the kurds, noone wants us there.
Yeah Trump is a fucking dick. When he said cultural center, I suspect he meant the religious sites in Iran. The sooner we are rid of this guy the better.
There is no question. We might have to go back in and bomb the shit out of them a few times before the message stuck but we can institute regime change if for no other reason than noone will want to lead the regime.
A lot of things could happen and we won’t know but ISTM that some people are already passing judgment and saying that this was a total disaster. The killing of Suleimani wasn’t a disaster. Talking about destroying cultural centers was a pretty big step in that direction but we aren’t there yet.
It might be difficult to understand from your high horse and adrenalin fueled war games, but iiandyiiii actually served the country from which you claim to speak for. Perhaps sending people to their deaths for the capricious, empty/arrogant posturing of clueless internet warriors (and a lazy unaware president) means something more to him?
It should to you too, but lives clearly don’t.
I can’t seem to find out for certain if anybody was killed in Iran’s attack on the military base in Iraq. The best answer I can find is that no Americans were killed, and some people are satisfied with that.
Apparently the attack on the Ukranian plane was an error, and again, people are happy because no Americans were killed. That is supposed to make everything OK.
Whether in error or on purpose, Iran’s actions are a response to our actions. At least 176 people are dead. We set this series of events in motion.
Even if Iran has decided to back off, the governments of the people killed on the plane are probably not too happy with the United states and Iran. We don’t know what other repercussions lie ahead.
Typo on my part. I am NOT opposed to war under any circumstance. I think that you need justification for war.
How did we violate Iran’s sovereignty? Did we invade?
If we left after killing Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, we would have been out of there a decade ago. It’s the “sticking around to try fix things because it’s the right thing to do” part that is causing direct issues for us.
I agree, the messy part is trying to manage things without setting the middle east on fire. And there are two tricks to that:
Not give a shit if the region is on fire and just shoot some missiles there whenever a regime starts to threaten us. This would make us monsters.
Just take over like we did with countries like Germany or Japan after the war, don’t even pretend that we are just there to help out. You are now a US territory, your athletes can still compete under your own flag at the Olympics but we have rescinded your sovereignty. This would make us about as almost as bad as the Nazis.
Fortunately the politician’s (including the theocratic politician’s) instinct for self preservation is going to prevent this from happening. It is not likely that the 99 pound weakling acts unreasonably when confronted by the 800 pound gorilla.
We’re bigger than you. Make us.
And another poster blaming america for a plane that Iran shot down. We made them do it?
So we should have just let this guy keep killing american personnel and syrian civilians.
I don’t see a lot of iraqi americans marching in protest of this guy’s death.
I see syrian americans celbrating it.
Yep, Trump himself made the Iranians shoot down that plane. You got me. Hard to see with all this egg on my face.
Warning (to put the subtext into text for ya), I stopped arguing you in good faith awhile ago. You are just hilariously too stupid.
double post.