# What in the world is this all about (TEXAS HCR 50) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252 "2009-07-25T22:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/41 "2009-07-26T18:57:28Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > This has massive parlor game potential! I think people should have to testify in court regardless of the consequences it might have to them personally. What amendment am I against? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/42 "2009-07-26T19:17:30Z")
There’s really nothing at all to this other than right-wing hypocrites jacking off into a bucket. Why even pay attention? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/43 "2009-07-26T19:32:10Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > There’s really nothing at all to this other than right-wing hypocrites jacking off into a bucket. Why even pay attention? :rolleyes: What deep and insightful commentary you have into the American political scene. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/44 "2009-07-26T19:36:07Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > There’s really nothing at all to this other than right-wing hypocrites jacking off into a bucket. Why even pay attention? I mentioned out [The Tenth Amendment Center](http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/) in a previous post. They are supporting a wide buffet of causes–with even a mention of medical marijuana. Gun legislation is even more important–they’re agin’ it. Ron Paul is one of their big heroes–perhaps his picture is on the bucket. But the big push is a response to Federal Health Care initiatives. They claim the Constitution doesn’t allow this stuff. (Medicare & Medicaid are also Unconstitutional, according to them.) **Rand Rover** has been spouting this line recently. The TAC is big on “Grassroots” groups that have the definite stench of Astroturf. There is no list of “directors” at all. People are invited to donate but I’d bet the Health Care Industry has paid a pretty penny for this front group. Too bad the NORML folks are letting themselves being used. ETA: I sent an inquiry about the history of the group, its directors & funding sources. Will let you know what I hear! ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/45 "2009-07-26T21:19:27Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The same people making fun of Conservatives in Texas in this thread likely thought that using Federal agents to arrest cancerous grandmothers in California for smoking medically prescribed pot was a Federal overreach. The difference, of course, is that medical marijuana is a specific issue, not a vague boogeyman used to scare up votes (or primary support, in this case). Were Perry (and Texans rallying behind this) to come out specifically in support of medical marijuana, you’d likely see few of those “same people” pointing and laughing. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/46 "2009-07-26T21:27:02Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > The difference, of course, is that medical marijuana is a specific issue, not a vague boogeyman used to scare up votes (or primary support, in this case). Were Perry (and Texans rallying behind this) to come out specifically in support of medical marijuana, you’d likely see few of those “same people” pointing and laughing. Most people consider states rights to be an issue. YMMV. The problem is that you see them as separate issues. Pointing and laughing should go the other way IMO. You oppose states rights but think California should have the right to pass medical marijuana laws? Hahaha retard. I mean seriously, if we had a more healthy respect of states rights Medical Marijuana in California wouldn’t be an issue of the state vs the Fed, California could make whatever laws it likes. It can’t precisely because the 10th amendment is not respected. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/47 "2009-07-26T21:43:23Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > You oppose states rights but think California should have the right to pass medical marijuana laws? Hahaha retard. You have no idea what I believe personally. Since you asked (albeit implicitly), I favor States’ rights for the most part. Being a generally moderate kinda guy, I don’t take it to an extreme – much like, as an atheist, I don’t get my panties in a wad about removal of “_In God We Trust_” from U.S. currency or “_One nation, under God_” from the Pledge. Nonetheless, I point and laugh at the tea-bagging, recessionist idiots whenever the opportunity presents itself. Which, not coincidentally, has become _much_ more often since Obama won the election. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/48 "2009-07-26T21:47:21Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > You have no idea what I believe personally. Since you asked (albeit implicitly), I favor States’ rights for the most part. Being a generally moderate kinda guy, I don’t take it to an extreme – much like, as an atheist, I don’t get my panties in a wad about removal of “_In God We Trust_” from U.S. currency or “_One nation, under God_” from the Pledge. I wasn’t making fun of you personally. > [@](#): > > Nonetheless, I point and laugh at the tea-bagging, recessionist idiots whenever the opportunity presents itself. Which, not coincidentally, has become _much_ more often since Obama won the election. I point and laugh at the tea-bagging too, but I don’t see why tea-bagging is relevant to what is a real and genuine issue. I’m wondering what people’s genuine views on states rights are beyond the identity politics. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/49 "2009-07-26T22:02:08Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I’m wondering what people’s genuine views on states rights are beyond the identity politics. State’s rights could be Obama’s Waterloo. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/50 "2009-07-26T22:06:29Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > State’s rights could be Obama’s Waterloo. LOL, I thought that was healthcare. 😉 As far as I can tell Obama is more favorable to states rights than his predecessor. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/51 "2009-07-26T22:18:02Z")
It is Obama’s Waterloo, and its excellent news for the McCain campaign. Also, a breath mint. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/52 "2009-07-26T22:27:33Z")
The size of the Federal Government _is_ too big. One of the greatest services Ron Paul performed in his campaign was to get people to start thinking about the Constitution and the system of government that it contemplated. I feel we’ve gotten away from the spirit, if not the letter, of the Constitution in many key ways. However, at a time when individual states are going broke and problems exist that can benefit from centralized power, for politicians to make a big stink about the Tenth Amendment and states’ rights seems highly suspect to me. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/53 "2009-07-26T23:10:30Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I wasn’t making fun of you personally. OK, but it would be helpful if you’d be more clear with your use of generic pronouns. > [@](#): > > I point and laugh at the tea-bagging too, but I don’t see why tea-bagging is relevant to what is a real and genuine issue. I’m wondering what people’s genuine views on states rights are beyond the identity politics. Really? Honestly, name the three highest-level, currently-in-office politicians you remember being associated with the tea-bagger spectacle. If one of the three _wasn’t_ Gov. Perry, then you weren’t paying attention. This is naught but political posturing – for the base, in its basest form. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/54 "2009-07-26T23:50:42Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > LOL, I thought that was healthcare. States Rights is his Waterloo. Healthcare is his Dancing Queen. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/55 "2009-07-27T00:40:42Z")
Maybe I’ll finally get the chance to own a slave. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/56 "2009-07-27T00:40:52Z")
OK- all this was promted by a neighbor and some links he was sending me. It took a while, but he told me he is against any kind of federal healthcare initiative, Medicare, Medicaid “and the entire welfare state, and Social Security, and the IRS, and the Federal Reserve.” All unconstitutional! He’s a stay-at-home Dad and his wife (who agrees with him) is a teacher. He claims these ideas are all his own, he doesn’t read the news or belong to any groups, and that he’s not a Libertarian, Free Stater, or any Independence Party member of any kind. I’m not brave enough to ask his opinion on guns or militia stuff. I think they both will be too nutty for me to get too friendly with. His wife was mumbling something about Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![Skylark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Skylark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skylark)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/57 "2009-07-27T00:51:12Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Heh, Texas has always been one of those states that people think of when they think of people bucking trends against the Federal government. This seems more like hyperbole on your part than a serious criticism of Texas. A lot of people in Texas fucking HATE Bush, like LOATHE him. The idea that Texas falls all over itself over a Republican President is umm…well…I think you just made that shit up. While we’re comparing anecdotes… I’m from Texas, and 95% of it was Bush Country. Yeah, there’s a lot of Texans who didn’t like Bush, I was one of them, but we were mostly clustered in Travis County or spread out so thinly across the rest of the state where it didn’t matter. Texas, especially under Perry and “Corndog” Cornyn never really made any principled stands against Bush & Cheney’s encroaching police state in the name of state’s rights. While we’re comparing anecdotes. My problem with Perry is he had this chance to complain for 8 years. He didn’t. See, you’re not supposed to let the executive get too powerful because at some point _someone else will be in power_. It’s too late now. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/58 "2009-07-27T01:33:49Z")
Where was all this outrage at Federal overreach during the Bush administration? It looks all fake when you do it only because the other side is in office. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/59 "2009-07-27T05:31:42Z")
The good news in that States rights have been upheld in the Senate roll call on a concealed carry reciprocity provision. Odd how the [votes](http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/votes/?votenum=237&chamber=S&congress=1111) for this anti-states right measure came mostly from the ‘Red’ states. Even Texas. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252/60 "2009-07-27T07:05:26Z")
What it means is that Republicans want to give back all the power they grabbed for the Fed now that the White House and Congress are controlled by the Democrats. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-in-the-world-is-this-all-about-texas-hcr-50/504252.md?page=4)