I remember seeing this in my Little Golden Book of Dinosaurs when I was about 5 years old. There was a painting of a (mislabeled) Brontosaurus with most of its body underwater and his long neck stretching to the top of the water so he could breathe.
Dinosaurs were also portrayed with their tails dragging on the ground, and standing upright like Kangaroos. I understand that many older museum displays of dinosaur skeletons have their tails broken so they will conform to that posture
Just in case you don’t mind someone a little older chiming in I’m still stinging over the scolding I got from a Sociology 101 prof when I questioned his comment about tabula rasa. That would have been in 1972.
Decades later I saw him on the street and reminded him. Asked him if he’d like to discuss it. He said he was busy.
That’s what I get for being a smarty pants (Twice.) Teachers hate that.
Being from South Carolina, I was taught the opposite, i.e. that everyone says it was about slavery but that was only part of it. I didn’t, and still don’t, buy the state’s rights argument. Any time I’ve ever heard it argued, it seems pretty clear that the economic or legal reasons for seceding wouldn’t have existed were it not for the question of slavery.
Well, okay, I did buy it. What I mean is that, I remember thinking, “That doesn’t seem to make much sense, but the teacher said it.” Not exactly the best thought process to be encouraging in young people.
I never heard that. Of course I heard little of the contributions of the Soviets, and a lot about ours, but pretty much all nations do that.
More or less, it was.
Umm, no. Leading those puny ships that far across uncharted waters? Fantastic act of leadership. Yes, he was lucky in that America was there, but his drive, initiative and leadership were great.
I’ve heard this put as he basically called his college drinking buddy “Mr Stupid” and the pope didn’t take too kindly to that. Actually one thing I’ve learned in years is that Galileo didn’t actually have evidence that “proved” the earth moved. (What’s even weirder is Einstein had pointed this out.) The evidence he did have (phase of Venus and moons of Jupiter) were consistent with the Copernican and Tychonic systems. (The church ended up going with Tychonic since it explained the evidence and let them keep the earth in the center and unmoving.) Oh here’s a short bit from James Burke on it.
Oh, for those that care the big proof that the earth moved was that it caused the tides. It unfortunately seems that his explaination would result in 1 tide per day which is a little wrong:)
It is a pity, then, that the word ‘so’ appears nowhere in your original post (nor in mine in any relevant position), and also a pity that nobody, certainly not me, ever suggested or implied that evolution happens to achieve some goal. You seem, rather incoherently, to be trying to correct mistakes that have not been made.
All the flying and climbing animals can reach the lower leaves too (although I don’t think that many of them are leaf eaters), but many non-flying, non-climbing leaf eaters cannot reach the higher ones.
It was you who said that “pmgs” would have to know to mate preferentially with longer necked mates in order for neck length to be selected for (at least, that is as much sense as I can make of what you wrote). That is nonsense (as I think you are aware) and was certainly never said or remotely implied by me. What is not nonsense is that it is possible (and quite plausible) that a long neck might confer a selective advantage on an animal that is in competition with other animals for a food source that can be found high up. Darwin could see that. Why can’t you?
And yes, I take your point that there have probably been multiple relevant selective factors at work. NOBODY HAS BEEN DENYING THAT.
The real problem here is that we insist on having a single category that lumps together objects as different as Mercury and Jupiter. Really, it’d be a lot tidier if we had completely separate categories for rockballs (like Mercury, Venus, Earth, Luna, Mars, and Ceres), gasballs (like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune), and iceballs (like Pluto, Eris, Quaoar, and Sedna). Then we could just say “Pluto is an iceball”, and nobody would be clamoring that it should be considered a rockball instead.
Well, I think it is fairly certain that Galileo thought he had Urban’s permission to publish what he did. After all, he hardly wanted to get arrested by the inquisition, and he did know the issue was sensitive. He had spent about a decade and a half under the previous pope being a very good boy, and not mentioning heliocentrism at all. He clearly believed Urban was on his side and would protect him (and, indeed, as I said, very likely wrote the book largely to curry favor with him).
Bearing that all in mind, I think it is also fairly certain that the character of Simplicio is not intended to be caricature of Urban, even though it is possible that Urban may have taken it that way. (And even though he does lose most of the arguments, Simplicio really isn’t presented as an idiot.)
go to the top of the page. this is what i was talking about:
giraffes have long necks so they can eat leaves at the top of trees. there was supposed to be less competition for the leaves in the treetops.
insects are leaf eaters, fly and climb, and there are a lot of them. i don’t understand the assumption that there is more food in the treetops. there is a lot more foliage at ground level than high in the air. plus with giraffes we are only talking about 20 ft. up. i have seen credible studies showing there is no more food in the treetops than at ground level. i didn’t vouch for their conclusions, but i’ve seen nothing like scientific evidence denying this. do you know of some? i’d like to see it.
obviously i was making snarky comments about evolution being a means to an end. you thought i was aware that this was nonsense. you thought right.
i didn’t say you were denying it. my only disagreement with you is about the quantity of food available in the treetops (the tops of 20 ft. trees).
let me state my position clearly: evolution is not a process of adaption to achieve a goal. and i see no conclusive evidence that giraffes evolved long necks because there is more food available in the treetops. maybe it all happened that way. but maybe seeing predators a long way off made the difference. maybe a mutation involved in long necks protected pmgs from a disease that wiped out its predators or competitors. maybe female giraffes just dig long necks.
do you just like to argue? maybe we can find a better topic. check out my views on racism in the ‘odd descriptor in sam cooke’ thread. or how about ‘superman could beat the hulk’.
In high school I took a Spanish class. Our teacher spread the myth that Castilian Spanish sounded like it did because the king had a lisp, and since he was king then everybody talked like he did.
Columbus did make a trip to Iceland some time before his voyage of 1492 and therefore potentially could have read/heard the sagas. But it really doesn’t matter if he had. The lands they describe, Greenland and Vinland, were not what he was looking for when he made his voyage in 1492. If they had been, he’d have sailed west from Iceland and not the Canaries, which is where he actually sailed from.
The figure for junk DNA is still quite high (98%, I think), although they’ve recently found that some stuff that was thought to be junk actually has a purpose. But it’s not enough to change the number.
When I was in school, “2 kingdoms” was still commonly taught, although a third one and perhaps a fourth was widely accepted by biologists at the time. The third (Protista) was actually mentioned in our HS biology textbook as a potential change/improvement. It’d been proposed about a century earlier – good to see the school books keeping up with the science.
We were taught that you MUST wait at least one hour after eating before you went in swimming, otherwise you would suffer terrible cramping, or some other indescribable suffering. We actually saw educational films that taught this. At beach picnics, pool parties, etc. some adults actually counted it down on a clock or watch.
The one hour figure varied between a half hour to two hours, depending on what source you believed.