And if Jared was in the Russian lair seeking to give them secrets, why the hell would he need a secure line to the Motherland ? He could just give them those secrets immediately then and there.
I’ll just note here that Bear_Nenno’s example of a “completely separate line” still included a satellite at one step in the process. Which means a radio link, which means that he’s using the same airwaves as everyone else. You want to listen in? Get an antenna.
Really? That’s like asking why there are phones when we have a postal service.
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Intelligence services monitor foreign embassies heavily. US intelligence wouldn’t have a hard time narrowing down who was in the Russian embassy on the same day as Kushner. And apparently Kushner really, really wants to avoid that for some reason.
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. The FBI is not investigating the transfer of secrets. They are investigating illegal collusion and coordination between Trump staff and Russian agents. That sort of thing is hard to accomplish if everyone has to drop off their hollow-heeled shoe with the ambassador’s sexy and mysterious receptionist.
Collusion and co-ordination for what ? What exactly do you say he was talking about or passing on to these sinister furriners ? In what way was the USA being subverted ? What joint illegalities were being planned ?
Unless the US Intelligence services are physically monitoring private communications in foreign embassies — which is not something they could consider doing any more than they would bug foreign leaders in their sinister foreign lands — how would they know what random visitors were discussing in the foul foreign depths of the embassy ?
I’m gonna say Jared is not now discussing ‘collusion’ over joint action to prevent Hillary winning.
Correct. This is one of the reasons why the information is also protected by encryption. I found a pretty good cite explaining the infrastructure of the various networks.
Okay, I’m done narrating the Washington Post for you. If you’d like to know who the FBI is interested in, and why, pick up a newspaper and read it. This is not a secret. Please be sure and make them aware that your armchair analysis has identified some discrepancies in their rationalization.
On the subject of secure comms lines, it isn’t just about pan-continental comms.
Very secure environments require clearly separated comms infrastructure even in the same building. Typically the comms cabling is totally separate, and reticulated in permanently and fully visible transparent ducting (hanging from the ceiling usually). They like optical fibre as well, since that is difficult to tap, and doesn’t radiate EM. Usually there are periodic end to end inspections of the cabling as well. All the switch gear it also kept in separate and transparent cabinets. The entire system is air-gapped, and is visibly so.
I remember a long time ago discussing highly secure infrastructure, and it was pointed out that there isn’t a simple technical spec. Sometimes a guy with a gun at the door is mandatory, in addition to any techo stuff.
Covert channels are difficult to find - once you have a mole inside, stopping information leaking can be difficult.
For long distance work most defence agencies will rent dark fibre and mange everything else from there on up. Fibre is pretty difficult to tap undetected, although there are potentially ways. No doubt encryption is de-rigueur.
So you have no concrete accusations to say. Standard deflection.
Obviously, the question of just what secrets Kushner was trying to share is one that the various government agencies are trying to answer. But the fact that he was trying to share some sort of secrets is amply evidenced by the fact that he was seeking a secure line in the first place.
sigh Alright, fine. I will now read the newspaper to you.
[QUOTE=FBI Director James Comey]
the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.
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The FBI is investigating coordination and collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The accusations aren’t mine to make. I am just pointing out that Americans doing routine business don’t strive to hide their business from US intelligence and share it with Russia. Kushner did so two times.
I think it’s important to make the distinction that “sharing secrets” isn’t what’s going on here. In normal usage that means releasing government-controlled secret information. That’s not what is under investigation… in fact the events in question happened before Trump was even inaugurated, which is highly, highly irregular for any sort of back-channel operation.
I’m calling out this nuance because Evan Drake seems determined to shift the conversation toward actions that aren’t alleged… i.e. “sharing secrets”… and away from what’s actually being alleged… collusion and coordination with Russia, which are crimes, which of course would be conducted outside the prying eyes of US law enforcement.
So we have it: those past actions are being ‘investigated’, not anything the Trumplings are doing now or in the future. Where in the criminal codes are ‘collusion and coordination’ crimes, and what penalties are prescribed ?
It may seem self-evident to you, but in thousands of cases where the CIA etc. colluded to alter foreign elections, in Europe or Latin America, or even in Africa, no-one was put on trial for colluding with the Americans.
I would be delighted if Trump was sent to jail.
“The dog has served an end, but the jest has all but run its course,” considered Ho Hung. “there is none to raise a voice against what you propose–save, perhaps, Tong, and he is of slight account.”
but all this scurrying after Russki villainy is just hysterical bellowing that Gypsies must be guilty because they are Gypsies and rushing off to break up their encampment for daring to insult god-fearing folk with their unwelcome presence. Either show evidence that a court will accept, or forget it and attack Trump and the GOP for their hideous policies designed to destroy the lives of the poor and weak.
Errr… you do know that investigations are for determining who did what, and when? How else would we know that?
OK, it seems you’ve conceded the point Kushner was likely involved in collusion and/or coordination, and now you’re retreating to “but it’s not illegal?” Is that about right?
okay… I guess we chalk that up to a colorful British-ism that doesn’t travel well.
Again, investigation ongoing. That’s how investigations work.
We differ on above points but I agree emphatically on this. As we march off to GD territory, I will opine that American liberals need to think through what happens to the anti-Trump resistance after he’s impeached, or if the FBI’s Russia investigation fails to net any impeachable/criminal offenses.
Note that I did not say that Kushner shared government-controlled secrets. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, I don’t know. I said that he shared secrets, and that much is known. They could be business secrets, they could be personal secrets shared with some Russian pen-pal he considers a confidant, they could be secrets about some other crime not connected to the US government. Some possible secrets are associated with a crime, and some are not. That’s why the FBI is investigating, to find out which it is.