What is an ox?

Horses or oxen? Yeah, it makes sense that teams of 10 to 12 horses would require skilled drivers while oxen were more easily guided.

However, oxen could stampede and one of the reasons for circling the wagons was to keep the oxen in the middle.

My ancestors weren’t wealthy or church leaders so it was oxen or handcarts for them. Most of the settlers, both Mormons and other settlers were on really limited budgets.

These were dirt or mud trails, often uphill and pulling heavy wagons all day. The wagons weighed 1,300 lbs and they were limited to something like 2,000 lbs of cargo and the food for crossing the plains.

Looking at other sources, Mormon pioneers sacrificed weight to allow fewer oxen.

All the wagons I saw as a child were those used in the Pioneer Day parade, with a couple of riders in empty wagons on paved roads. Two horses were enough for those,

Generally people walked because the wagons didn’t have suspension and the lurching and bumps weren’t fun. Also, they wanted to carry as much cargo as they could. Small children were often driven (with whips!) ahead of the main groups.

A couple of my ancestors were unfortunate enough to be involved with the handcart companies, and paid dearly for that. Whatever else, having large animals pull the wheat and beddings was much preferable to pulling it yourselves.

Yeah - that and movies/paintings. Gonna look for more images. My idea was they “ganged up” multiple teams for ascents and such. What you say makes the trip even more amazing that I had previously thought.

Certainly for really steep ascents, but the trail itself is uphill until the continental divide. The Mormon Trail began at just over 700 ft elevation and went to 7,500 ft.

The trek it self was only the beginning. Mormon settlers were sent out all over Utah, southern Idaho, northern Arizona and parts of Nevada with very little to their names, digging irrigation canals in the deserts.

One of my ancestors lost both of her legs (below the knees, IIRC) in snowstorms in Wyoming and went on to have a bunch more kids.

Tough people and something I certainly would not have wanted to do. My parents both grew up on dirt farms and were closer to the pioneers than my spoiled generation, something my father often reminded me. He did have a rich vocabulary of terms of contempt for my siblings and me.

I suppose if you grow up working that hard, it would be difficult to hold your tongue when your kids don’t have the same toughness.

From the Donner party reaching Donner Summit.

Clicking on the icon brings up the drawing.

People pulling hand carts doesn’t get that much play :arrow_forward: n the movies. Along with those people who couldn’t afford horse or oxen there were also the ones that lost wagons and livestock along the way and finishing their journey on foot power. As noted most everybody walked, but they had been doing that most of their lives already.

In the Caribbean I’ve eaten both oxtail and pigtail soup. Totally different taste and both delicious. I have a source for oxtail here, but I’ve never seen pigtails for sale.

It just occurred to me that since ox are castrated steers that Rocky Mountain Oysters might NOT just come from butchered cattle.

Not just ‘used’ but also bred. Just like we have cows for milking and cows for eating, we had cows for pulling. A lot of them were also milk or meat breeds and were certainly eaten at the end of their service life – who’s going to throw away a half ton of stew meat? – but they were selected for their sturdiness rather than their milk production or tastiness.

It’s a reference to Oregon Trail. Those are the prices in version 5, the one I played, and the one you can now download from a game site to play on Win10 & 11. You could choose among oxen, horses and mules.

Maybe in version 1 you didn’t have a choice, but I’m not sure you even shopped or traded for supplies at all-- there’s actually a feature you can exploit in version 5 where you choose business acumen (that’s not the correct term, but I don’t remember what it’s called) as a special skill, then buy up a lot of $11 oxen, and select “trade” for your activity, and sell the oxen for anywhere for $15-20 per.

Eventually, you can trade for nearly everything you need, and in addition, have twice the cash you started out with. Makes for a huge score at the end.

It’s not used much anymore, but the generic word is beeve.

Definitions

from The Century Dictionary.

  • noun An animal of the bovine genus, as a cow, bull, or ox.

I never played the game, but I thought everyone just bought a lot of ammunition:

And in a few places, you can still see the ruts from those wagons.

In Australia they were generally termed bullocks, and bullock wagons were pulled by teams ranging up to 1-2 dozen beasts [also used as the generic “cow” term], handled by a bullocky. Routine and necessary part of the rural world the moment you were out of sight of a railway line. Used for haulage throughout Australia except in desert and very dry, where camels were preferred - bullocks do require decent feed and water.

The wagon, plus load and the beasts themselves could easily exceed 10+ tons. No worries on flat clay plains, until it rains.

Some examples:

When did anyone call them Beeves?

beef (n.)

c. 1300, “an ox, bull, or cow,” also the flesh of one when killed, used as food, from Old French buef “ox; beef; ox hide” (11c., Modern French boeuf), from Latin bovem (nominative bos, genitive bovis) “ox, cow,” from PIE root *gwou- “ox, bull, cow.” Original plural in the animal sense was beeves.

Etymology

Back-formation from beeves, plural of beef.

A couple of years back I golfed regularly w/ a young man from Texas. Raised on a ranch and rode rodeo (he was a heeler). I forget exactly what he called their operation, but it wasn’t a feedlot. They bought weaned calves and fattened them up before selling them to feedlots to be finished off.

He said most folk called them beeves, but he called them calves. So at least some folk in Texas call them beeves.

He had a video on his phone of the castrating process as they did it. They didn’t cut the nuts off. Instead they fastened a tight elastic band around them, which caused them to dry up. After affixing the elastic, he reached in with a knife and hacked a couple of slashes in the scrotum, which he said helped them dry up. Pretty ghastly IMO.

Interesting golf partner!

Interesting. Thanks

I once worked with a guy who grew up on a Wyoming ranch and did that as well. He refused to “get fixed” after he and wife had enough kids.

Oh, thanks! I was trying to remember that word.

and that one.

You can tell how central cattle are to our culture that there are SO many words, with so many shades of meaning, to name these animals.

I wonder how much of that is more so they’d have cattle when they showed up in Oregon without having to herd cattle all along the way?