# What is Critical Race Theory? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629 "2020-09-27T00:59:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/101 "2020-09-30T08:07:45Z")
Speaking of that item about this “not having limiting principles”, it looks to me like Trump demanding that congress should not have access to his tax records. Turns out that the courts already found that even the President is not above the law; and things like Red lining, that are already banned, need more than just laws to deal with the workarounds biased institutions are still using to limit opportunities for minorities. > **[Modern-day redlining: Banks discriminate in lending](https://revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks-are-shutting-the-door-to-homeownership/)** > > Mortgage data shows a troubling pattern of lending, even in major cities like Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis and San Antonio: Banks block African Americans and Latinos from getting loans. > The analysis – independently reviewed and confirmed by The Associated Press – showed black applicants were turned away at significantly higher rates than whites in 48 cities, Latinos in 25, Asians in nine and Native Americans in three. In Washington, D.C., the nation’s capital, Reveal found all four groups were significantly more likely to be denied a home loan than whites. > > “It’s not acceptable from the standpoint of what we want as a nation: to make sure that everyone shares in economic prosperity,” said Thomas Curry, who served as America’s top bank regulator, the comptroller of the currency, from 2012 until he stepped down in May. > > Yet Curry’s agency was part of the problem, deeming 99 percent of banks satisfactory or outstanding based on inspections administered under the Community Reinvestment Act, a 40-year-old law designed to reverse rampant redlining. And the Justice Department has sued only a handful of financial institutions for failing to lend to people of color in the decade since the housing bust. Curry argued that the law shares part of the blame; it needs to be updated and strengthened. > > “The Community Reinvestment Act has aged a lot in 40 years,” he said. ---
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> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Because it is driving our nation into a frenzy Lol 😂 ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/103 "2020-09-30T16:29:06Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So you think CRT narratives aren’t in the service of change at all? > > You think the advocacy of LGBTQ+ narratives by groups like the HRC was based on service of “traditional analysis, logic and empirical evidence”? Or rather did they think the more people they knew who were gay, the more likely people would care about them as people. If you don’t think they had a massive influence in changing the national narrative, which changed judicial rulings, then you weren’t paying attention. I think crt narratives are being used to counter actual rational arguments, empirical evidence and being treated as having the same evidentiary weight as actual data by some crt folks. > [@](#): > > If it was just based on rational argument gay marriage would have been decided in the 1990s. But it wasn’t. Narrative was essential in changing that. LBGTQ advocacy, education, awareness, etc are not narratives in the crt sense. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > So you did miss where the discussion about the short story in this thread wasn’t about advancing a fictional story as parable (where we both agreed that the narrative part of CRT is important) but because it advanced an anti scientific method and rationality. That’s the thing about narratives\>data. White supremacists can use it to come up with whatever bullshit conclusions they want to. They can engage in the same sort of pseudoscience as crt acolytes and you just end up with people believing what they want to believe because the disconnect from facts and data, the subordination of logic and reason means that your opinion is about as well supported as David Duke’s He just has to tell a story that supports his position. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > It presents an argument about the present day in a different setting to make a point about the present. Do you not read science fiction? Yes and the argument being made is that white folks would sell black folks to aliens for some goodies. That jews oppose this but only because they are afraid what would happen to them if white people didn’t have black people to kick around anymore. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Sure there are, once the data shows that what Vox reports is no longer showing up in the charts, or that systemic bias is no longer there. Is that a limiting principle? You are just saying you will be satisfied when your conditions are met. I thought a limiting principle had to be able to be met without giving you everything you want. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > In Washington, D.C., the nation’s capital, Reveal found all four groups were significantly more likely to be denied a home loan than whites. The article is basically saying that credit scores are racist? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/104 "2020-09-30T16:35:27Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > I think crt narratives are being used to counter actual rational arguments, empirical evidence and being treated as having the same evidentiary weight as actual data by some crt folks. Cool. It seems to me that counter-storytelling serves to be an incredibly important way to change the dominant narrative structure. I think modern racial counter-storytelling is taking influence from LGBTQ+ counter-storytelling. > [@damuriajashi](#): > > Yes and the argument being made is that white folks would sell black folks to aliens for some goodies. That jews oppose this but only because they are afraid what would happen to them if white people didn’t have black people to kick around anymore. Seems like an interesting story to me. And I think white people would surely think about it in that hypothetical. And considering how Jewish people have been treated by whites, that’s not a bad speculation either. You’ve sold me on reading the story. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/105 "2020-09-30T16:59:23Z")
I for one am shocked that Jonathan Swift would accuse English people of wanting to eat poor Irish babies. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/106 "2020-09-30T17:00:36Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Is that a limiting principle? You are just saying you will be satisfied when your conditions are met. I thought a limiting principle had to be able to be met without giving you everything you want. Piffle, wanting all to have the same opportunities is something that should have very few limitations. And again, that is something that others with more experience and knowledge than me proposed before and very likely in the future. IOW, your insistence that it is just everything _ **I** _ want is ridiculous, it is not just me. > [@damuriajashi](#): > > The article is basically saying that credit scores are racist? Again, you miss the point, if the system was fair before hand there would be no reason for credit scores to be used in discriminatory and predatory ways against minorities. Time and time again, changes in the life style for the better are easier to dismiss by institutions when minorities demand access to credit. > **[Credit scores in America perpetuate racial injustice. Here's how | Sarah Ludwig](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/13/your-credit-score-is-racist-heres-why)** > > Credit reports and scores reflect existing racial inequities in our credit system and economy > Although Wall Street is no longer pumping toxic mortgages into black and Latino neighborhoods, people and neighborhoods of color continue to reel from the foreclosure crisis, which many predict is far from over. Meanwhile, racially [discriminatory](http://www.consumerfinance.gov/newsroom/cfpb-takes-action-against-fifth-third-bank-for-auto-lending-discrimination-and-illegal-credit-card-practices/) and [subprime](http://www.responsiblelending.org/other-consumer-loans/auto-financing/research-analysis/recklessdriving_implications_subprime_autofinance_growth.pdf) auto lending are on the rise, [payday lenders continue to extract billions of dollars](http://www.responsiblelending.org/payday-lending/tools-resources/fast-facts.html) from low-wage workers, and student loan debt has surpassed the trillion dollar mark. [One in five Americans has unpaid medical debt](http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201412_cfpb_reports_consumer-credit-medical-and-non-medical-collections.pdf), with more than half of all African-Americans and Latinos carrying [medical debt on their credit cards](http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/FACTSHEET_TheColorofDebt_Demos.pdf). By definition, people who take payday loans and have uninsured medical debt are struggling, and are likely to miss payments. Missed payments translate into decreased credit scores. > > This information – unpaid medical and credit card debt, student loans, and mortgages, as well as foreclosures, bankruptcies, debt collection judgments, wage garnishments – appears on people’s credit reports and lowers their credit scores. And the credit bureaus make humongous profits by selling this information about all of us. > > In New York City, a [coalition of labor, community and civil rights groups](http://creditcatch22.org/) recently won the [strongest ban on employment credit checks in the country](https://www.thenation.com/article/new-york-city-just-outlawed-running-credit-checks-job-applicants/). It’s a major economic justice victory, but we know it’s just a first step. We knocked down this discriminatory barrier because there is [no demonstrated connection](http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/mgr-15-2-106.pdf) between a person’s credit history and his or her likely job performance or character. Credit checks can also block applicants with no or “thin” credit histories, including many students and immigrants. Rather, using credit information to make hiring decisions – or to rent apartments, set insurance terms, or extend credit – is a clear way to perpetuate inequality, poverty and segregation. > > Credit reports and scores are mirrors of our manifestly two-tiered financial system, and more broadly our system of racial wealth inequality and unequal opportunity. In our culture, indebtedness – and certainly failure to pay one’s debts – is deeply entwined with concepts of morality. The insidious notion that our credit history speaks to our reliability as human beings is largely taken for granted. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/107 "2020-09-30T17:08:50Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > I for one am shocked that Jonathan Swift would accuse English people of wanting to eat poor Irish babies. Did jonathan swift build an entire social justice theory on the premise that the emglish would eat irish babies? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Piffle, wanting all to have the same opportunities is something that should have very few limitations. You’re not asking for the same opportunities, you are asking for the same results. This is one of the primary differences between traditional liberal rights based analysis and crt. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again, you miss the point, if the system was fair before hand there would be no reason for credit scores to be used in discriminatory and predatory ways against minorities. Time and time again, changes in the life style for the better are easier to dismiss by institutions when minorities demand access to credit. How is this saying something other than credit scores are racist? I mean the basic theory seems to be that racism causes financial disparity which leads to disparities in credit scores so lenders are being racist by relying on credit scores. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/108 "2020-09-30T17:18:28Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Did jonathan swift build an entire social justice theory on the premise that the emglish would eat irish babies? No and critical race theorists haven’t sincerely expressed the views of their satiric works either. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/109 "2020-09-30T17:20:26Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > You’re not asking for the same opportunities, you are asking for the same results. > This is one of the primary differences between traditional liberal rights based analysis and crt. Nope, you are wrong on this one, as the cites showed, you only demonstrate ignorance on the issues. > [@damuriajashi](#): > > How is this saying something other than credit scores are racist? How is that post you made there not just demanding that we should ignore the way the scores are misused and the efforts made already to minimize the bad effects? ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/110 "2020-10-06T14:59:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, you are wrong on this one, as the cites showed, you only demonstrate ignorance on the issues. What cites? You do understand that opinions aren’t cites, right? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > How is that post you made there not just demanding that we should ignore the way the scores are misused and the efforts made already to minimize the bad effects? Once again, all you are saying is that some racial groups might have lower credit scores than other racial groups and therefore credit scores are racist. Good luck with trying to make that sort of argument in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/111 "2020-10-06T15:23:18Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Once again, all you are saying is that some racial groups might have lower credit scores than other racial groups and therefore credit scores are racist. Good luck with trying to make that sort of argument in the real world. Ignoring the previous cite that reported that New York’s City Council voted overwhelmingly to [outlaw the common practice](http://creditcatch22.org/wordpress/labor-community-coalition-celebrates-passage-of-legislation-banning-employment-credit-checks/) of letting employers prejudge people based on their credit history— does not lead to your platitudes to be the truth. The real world is listening. And your ignorance remains. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/112 "2020-10-06T16:07:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Ignoring the previous cite that reported that New York’s City Council voted overwhelmingly to [outlaw the common practice](http://creditcatch22.org/wordpress/labor-community-coalition-celebrates-passage-of-legislation-banning-employment-credit-checks/) of letting employers prejudge people based on their credit history— does not lead to your platitudes to be the truth. > > The real world is listening. > > And your ignorance remains. NYC’s laws are not an argument for the merits of a position. Let’s see if this example will help. There is nothing intrinsically racist about government issued photo ID’s and it is perfectly appropriate to use them to determine whether someone should be allowed to drive on public roads. Despite the fact that blacks are less likely to have a driver’s license than whites, noone thinks that driver’s licenses are racist. However, if a political party knowing that blacks are far less likely to have a government issued photo ID passes a law that requires a government issued photo ID to exercise the right to vote, that might be racist (just as the use of credit history for employment decisions may be a disguise for racism). Using credit history for decision on extending credit is about as racist as using a driver’s license to determine who should be able to drive. Does that clarify my position? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/113 "2020-10-06T16:21:48Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > NYC’s laws are not an argument for the merits of a position. Missing the point, you were ignorant. People are listening. > **[House Committee Passes Bill to Ban Employment Credit Checks](https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/talent-acquisition/house-committee-passes-bill-to-ban-employment-credit-checks)** > > The House Committee on Financial Services on July 11 passed legislation that would prohibit employers from using credit reports for employment decisions, except when required by law or for a national security clearance. > “Given the increase in state and local laws passing credit check laws, as well as the EEOC’s stance on the use of credit checks—that credit checks create a disparate impact on certain minority groups—there appears to be a trend of all employers decreasing the number of credit checks that they conduct,” Devata said. > > She explained that the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) does not bar employers from using credit reports when making employment decisions, but other applicable laws may. > > Currently ten states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington), the District of Columbia, and the cities of Chicago, New York City and Philadelphia have passed laws restricting the use of credit reports used by employers for employment purposes, with several more jurisdictions poised to join the trend, she said. > [@damuriajashi](#): > > Let’s see if this example will help. > > There is nothing intrinsically racist about government issued photo ID’s and it is perfectly appropriate to use them to determine whether someone should be allowed to drive on public roads. Despite the fact that blacks are less likely to have a driver’s license than whites, noone thinks that driver’s licenses are racist. However, if a political party knowing that blacks are far less likely to have a government issued photo ID passes a law that requires a government issued photo ID to exercise the right to vote, that might be racist (just as the use of credit history for employment decisions may be a disguise for racism). Using credit history for decision on extending credit is about as racist as using a driver’s license to determine who should be able to drive. > > Does that clarify my position? It clarifies where the ignorance is. As the last cite showed, extending credit is not the reason why credit scores can be used in a racist way. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/114 "2020-10-06T17:02:49Z")
Note that the Reveal study [(PDF)](https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/revealnews.org/uploads/lending_disparities_whitepaper_180214.pdf) involved a logistic regression on the HMDA dataset and does not include credit score or credit history. So someone with a recent bankruptcy may very well look identical to someone with a pristine record of making on-time payments. So the article doesn’t “[say] that credit scores are racist,” nor does it have fuck all to do with job applications. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/115 "2020-10-06T18:24:28Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Yes, due to rights based approach hasn’t demonstrated the ending of racial discrimination. But the point being that narrative, not science, was essential for LGBTQ gaining rights. Narrative has been shown to be an effective manner of changing public course. So that is what CRT is trying to use for their goals. There’s another word for a ‘narrative-based’ approach to changinhg public course. It’s called “propaganda”. Replace the word LGBTQ with ‘Aryan’, and the passage above could have been written by Josef Goebbels. The problem with relying on narratives as ‘evidence’ is that narratives are _constructed_ - in this case, by political partisans. Anyone can create a narrative through cherry-picking, choosing the characteristics that are important, etc. In fact, that’s one of the claims of CRT - that our history isn’t ‘fact’, but a narrative created by white people. They want to replace it with their own narrative. This maks CRT the last thing from a social philosophy or especially anything remotely connected to science. What it is, is a field where a bunch of people try to create increasingly clever rationalizions for disrupting current hierarchies in favor of their own. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/116 "2020-10-06T18:28:42Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There’s another word for a ‘narrative-based’ approach to changinhg public course. It’s called “propaganda”. Replace the word LGBTQ with ‘Aryan’, and the passage above could have been written by Josef Goebbels. > > The problem with relying on narratives as ‘evidence’ is that narratives are _constructed_ - in this case, by political partisans. Anyone can create a narrative through cherry-picking, choosing the characteristics that are important, etc. In fact, that’s one of the claims of CRT - that our history isn’t ‘fact’, but a narrative created by white people. They want to replace it with their own narrative. > > This maks CRT the last thing from a social philosophy or especially anything remotely connected to science. What it is, is a field where a bunch of people try to create increasingly clever rationalizions for disrupting current hierarchies in favor of their own. So you objected to MLK Jr’s Civil Rights movement? Because it was the narratives he and his allies demonstrated that ultimately convinced enough Americans to change at least some of these oppressive policies. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/117 "2020-10-06T18:30:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Missing the point, you were ignorant. People are listening. No, you’re clearly wrong on this point. The fact that some nyc politicians agree with you doesn’t make your claim any truer than if donald trump agreed with you. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > It clarifies where the ignorance is. As the last cite showed, extending credit is not the reason why credit scores can be used in a racist way. Are you forgetting the genesis of this issue? You were claiming that housing was racist because credit scores were racist. There is nothing racist about using credit scores to make determinations about extending credit. Unless your point is that racism may contribute to why people have bad credit scores. But that couldn’t be it because that would be an idiotic point to make in the context of that argument. Just as a reminder, this is the article we are talking about: > **[Modern-day redlining: Banks discriminate in lending](https://revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks-are-shutting-the-door-to-homeownership/)** > > Mortgage data shows a troubling pattern of lending, even in major cities like Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis and San Antonio: Banks block African Americans and Latinos from getting loans. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/118 "2020-10-06T18:32:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So you objected to MLK Jr’s Civil Rights movement? Because it was the narratives he and his allies demonstrated that ultimately convinced enough Americans to change at least some of these oppressive policies. MLK clearly used rights based arguments. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/119 "2020-10-06T18:40:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There’s another word for a ‘narrative-based’ approach to changinhg public course. It’s called “propaganda”. Replace the word LGBTQ with ‘Aryan’, and the passage above could have been written by Josef Goebbels. I’m not entirely sure why you can’t see there is a good propaganda and bad propaganda. Radio Free Europe, for example, obviously propaganda. The Declaration of Independence was propaganda. Those are both good propaganda. Our society is built on narratives. Changing those assumptions requires other narratives to persuade people in other directions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629/120 "2020-10-06T18:51:41Z")
He also demonstrated very clear narratives (many of which were very brutally displayed on TV!). That was a huge part of the CR movement. Without them, it probably wouldn’t have been successful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-critical-race-theory/921629.md?page=7)