# What is "French Dressing/Catalina French"? (mod, please read before moving) **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 23, 2010, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089 "2010-04-23T12:24:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/1 "2010-04-23T12:24:56Z")
Hi GQ mods. I know this is going to turn into a CS topic and will be moved, but I’d appreciate it if you could keep it here until someone gives the factual/historical answer. Then it can go to CS and turn into a recipe-fest (I hope! :p) Ok–there are two main categories of dressing that are called “French”. One is a vinaigrette (oil/vinegar/spices). I don’t care at all about that one. 😉 The other is an orangy, slightly tangy, creamy dressing. Or there’s a variant called “Catalina French” which is spicier, a deeper red color and a little sweet. And another variant is “Russian” which is darker red-orange and sweeter still. This group is the stuff I’m asking about [ul] [li]What _is_ this stuff? Basic recipe (especially for the “catalina” variant)? If there’s a recipe on the web that actually makes something that tastes right. Whatever adds the red color isn’t just ketchup and it’s not acidic enough for tomato.[/li] [li]Why are there two types of dressing called “French”? They don’t seem to have anything in common. The oil/vinegar stuff doesn’t taste anything like the orange creamy stuff–texture aside, the flavors are totally different.[/li] [li]Where did it come from–does it have a specific origin point? A history? [/li] [/ul] Thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/2 "2010-04-23T13:06:36Z")
IIRC the orange stuff you’re talking about is basically the classic oil/vinegar/spices but with ketchup mixed in, which in my opinion should make it “American” dressing, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/3 "2010-04-23T13:24:16Z")
You’re talking about the classic 50s-60s bottled dressings. True “French Dressing” is a vinaigrette. In the US, the closest thing to that is called “Italian Dressing.” “French Dressing” in the US was the pale red creamy dressing. “Russian Dressing” in the US was a mixture of ketchup and mayonnaise. “Thousand Island Dressing” is the same thing with sweet pickle added. Catalina Dressing was developed by Kraft and was a trade name for years (probably still is). I’ve seen something similar marketed as “Sun-dried tomato dressing.” There are various recipes on the Internet. [This one indicates it includes ketchup and red wine vinegar.](http://www.recipezaar.com/recipe/1960s-Catalina-Dressing-33561) It looks like that the American version of French (with tomato) and the UK version (vinaigrette) developed independently at the same time. The UK took the recipe from France, but the US added the tomato to it. Note that dressings go in and out of style. You never see things like Roquefort or green goddess dressing any more; and years ago there was no Ranch ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/4 "2010-04-23T13:24:47Z")
Per a random site, Cataline dressing recipe: 1 cup sugar 2 teaspoons salt dash paprika 1/2 teaspoon chili powder 1/2 teaspoon celery seed 1/2 teaspoon dry mustard grated onion to taste 1/2 cup vinegar 2/3 cup ketchup 1 cup vegetable oil ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/5 "2010-04-23T14:00:26Z")
There are three kinds, really: “White French dressing” is extremely popular in the Akron area, as it is served at several beloved restaurants. Jane Snow, longtime food editor of the Beacon Journal, serves up a [recipe](http://www.janesnowtoday.com/newsletter/display.php?List=1&N=104). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/6 "2010-04-23T14:08:58Z")
For that matter, I’d kill for the recipe to Souplantation’s Kahlena French Dressing, which is kinda between French and Italian. Big hunks of tomato in it, but close to the typical “American French” flavor profile. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/7 "2010-04-23T14:13:13Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > “Russian Dressing” in the US was a mixture of ketchup and mayonnaise. True, but Wishbone seemed to have a weird [outlier](http://www.crossroads-market.com/images/HFSA017.JPG) type of Russian dressing that was more in the spirit of French and Catalina dressings, so far as I can remember. (It’s been years since I’ve had Wishbone salad dressing, and probably a couple decades since I’ve had their Russian.) ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/8 "2010-04-23T14:31:42Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Note that dressings go in and out of style. You never see things like Roquefort or green goddess dressing any more; and years ago there was no Ranch You’re right on about ranch dressing. I think honey mustard dressing is another example of a dressing that didn’t go widescale until maybe the mid-to-late 1980s. You can still get Green Goddess dressing around here in all the groceries. It’s not even a niche item made by small independent food companies … it’s Kraft and their major competitors. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/9 "2010-04-23T15:29:40Z")
Around here, I haven’t seen Green Goddess in years. Must be a regional thing. You’re right about honey mustard. Same with balsamic vinaigrette (at least, as a mass-market bottled dressing – people made it at home). ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/10 "2010-04-23T15:31:27Z")
I’ve never even heard of Green Goddess dressing. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/11 "2010-04-23T15:35:13Z")
Penzey’s makes [Green Goddess dressing mix](http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penzeys/p-penzeysgreengodd.html); add mayo and vinegar. It sounds pretty good, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/12 "2010-04-23T15:40:42Z")
I’ve had it. It is. It’s also good with fat-free yogurt, although not as good as with mayo ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/13 "2010-04-23T15:41:36Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Around here, I haven’t seen Green Goddess in years. Must be a regional thing. You know what’s really weird? Green Goddess wasn’t in the stores around here back in the day. It’s not like it’s been popular here for years … it just started popping up on shelves one day circa late-1990s :shrug: I guess if it didn’t sell, it would have been pulled at some point. … **Knead** , here’s some info about [Green Goddess dressing](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_goddess_dressing). And here’s [a pic of a bottle of the Seven Seas (Kraft) brand](http://www.crossroads-market.com/images/HFSA863.JPG) that you might see in your local supermarket. Looks like it might be part of a [specialty line of dressings](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eZfqaSsF1go/Sm8FxV3cSFI/AAAAAAAAGVY/ZzOXycjc_JQ/s320/kraft+dressing.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![hellpaso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecae2f/32.png) [@hellpaso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellpaso)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/14 "2010-04-23T15:42:36Z")
Green Goddess is available in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/15 "2010-04-23T15:43:03Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Around here, I haven’t seen Green Goddess in years. Must be a regional thing. > > You’re right about honey mustard. Same with balsamic vinaigrette (at least, as a mass-market bottled dressing – people made it at home). While we’re at it, I think the Olive Garden (est. early 1980s) more or less invented “Creamy Italian” dressing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/16 "2010-04-23T16:02:32Z")
Outback Steak house doesn’t like the term “French Dressing”. Instead they have a tangy tomato dressing. Tastes a lot like the Kraft French but it’s a little dark red (not orange). ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/17 "2010-04-23T16:29:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Outback Steak house [has] a tangy tomato dressing. Tastes a lot like the Kraft French but it’s a little dark red (not orange). … sounds exactly like Catalina dressing. ---
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I wound up with a couple of bottles of “French” dressing that I’d love to use up in something, but the only recipe I’ve ever seen that uses it is the one with chicken and cranberry sauce, which my family didn’t care for. Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/19 "2010-04-23T18:59:55Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I wound up with a couple of bottles of “French” dressing that I’d love to use up in something, but the only recipe I’ve ever seen that uses it is the one with chicken and cranberry sauce, which my family didn’t care for. Any ideas? If it’s this kind of French Dressing: > [@](#): > > “French Dressing” in the US was the pale red creamy dressing. then … it would be something of an experiment, but I bet you could make a decent [shrmp mold](http://allrecipes.com/recipe/shrimp-mold/detail.aspx) with it. Substitute some or all of the tomato soup and perhaps reduce the amount of mayonnaise … then use the French dressing in their places. I like French dressing on thick, hearty sandwiches that have a lot of “salad” (lettuce/tomato/onions/etc.) on them. You won’t use up all the French dressing at one shot that way, but it won’t go to waste. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089/20 "2010-04-23T23:43:16Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > While we’re at it, I think the Olive Garden (est. early 1980s) more or less invented “Creamy Italian” dressing. 😃 NOt even close. Had it here in Akron around 1973. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-french-dressing-catalina-french-mod-please-read-before-moving/537089.md?page=2)