# What is going on with the antisemitism from these college heads? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173 "2023-12-06T12:40:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/201 "2023-12-09T19:30:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > None of that is anythint like what we’re seeing on the left. Where are the tiki marches for Hamas? Where are the right wing people shouting, “From the River to the Sea?” Where are the protests on right-wing campuses like Hillsdale? Most of those from the right were involved or resulted in killing people to during those “protests” from the right (I do include January 6th on this), but keep trying to equate that with speech. Not my problem that you grossly miss the point of what the heads of the Colleges are making. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/202 "2023-12-09T19:32:54Z")
Do you have some quotes from them over the Hamas attack? Anything equivalent to calling for Genocide or excusing the rape of Jews? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/203 "2023-12-09T19:33:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Can anyone point to anything similar going on right now on the right? When you say “right now”, are you looking for a livestream, or…? Antisemitism has been a constant presence on the right for ages. I’m not gonna forget something like Charlottesville just because people on the far right hate Muslims more than they hate me. And sorry, I’m not buying the whole “oh we just think you’re God’s special people” nonsense. Yeah, Christians really _loved_ us when they exiled us from their countries, or forced us to convert, or locked us up in ghettos, or slaughtered us for practice on their way to a Crusade. Let’s take stock. On the left, we have Joe Biden and a bunch of other Democrats who I feel have done a fantastic job of supporting Israel. (And most of the criticism against them previously, and I’d include Obama in this, was anti-Bibi more than anti-Israel). You also have a handful of idiots who still haven’t retracted their false claims about that hospital blast, or have otherwise had (what I consider to be) shit takes about the whole situation. On the other hand, you have the Republicans, who have repeatedly cosied up to literal Nazis and white supremacists and who amplify conspiracy theories that lead us down a very, very dangerous path. It’s a frighteningly small step from “George Soros is behind the Great Replacement” to “Jews will not replace us” to murders in the streets. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/204 "2023-12-09T19:33:25Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And… Media Matters? Rolling Stone? Those are not reasonable cites. Media Matters is basically an arm of the Democratic party. Rolling Stone wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face. And there you go trying to pass a “killing the messenger” argument as a smart one. What a wanker… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/205 "2023-12-09T19:34:11Z")
You’re describing an aspect of the extreme left, which does contain various flavors of anti-semitism (unfortunately). The extreme right (which includes many in Congress) contains different flavors of anti-semitism – not “from the river to the sea”, or excusing Hamas, but endorsing and spreading the Great Replacement theory, consorting with and lending legitimacy to Holocaust deniers, insisting that American Jews are less legitimately Jewish if they’re liberal or oppose Netanyahu, and much more. Left anti-semitism isn’t worse than right anti-semitism. Right anti-semitism has resulted in synagogues in the US shot up and dozens killed. So far, left anti-semitism in America isn’t close to that. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/206 "2023-12-09T19:35:13Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I think you proved my point. None of that is anythint like what we’re seeing on the left. Where are the tiki marches for Hamas? Where are the right wing people shouting, “From the River to the Sea?” Where are the protests on right-wing campuses like Hillsdale? So because the literal Nazis are too distracted with Islamophobia to organize some Antisemitic marches at this exact moment, I’m supposed to forget that elected politicians on the Right thinks I set wildfires with space lasers in order to replace white people with brown people. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/207 "2023-12-09T19:37:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Do you have some quotes from them over the Hamas attack? Anything equivalent to calling for Genocide or excusing the rape of Jews? You know that the College heads did not support what some radicals said? Or you try to ignore it because it does not fit your narrative? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/208 "2023-12-09T19:39:43Z")
Shall we count the number of times you have complained to me about ‘partisan’ cites, and outright dismissed any evidence that came from them? And the point is, even if we took all of your cites at face value, that’s nothing even CLOSE to what’s happening on the left. > [@Babale](#): > > When you say “right now”, are you looking for a livestream, or…? > > Antisemitism has been a constant presence on the right for ages. I’m not gonna forget something like Charlottesville just because people on the far right hate Muslims more than they hate me. Since Oct… 7. Look, I know there is antisemitism on the right. There is antisemitism on the right, on the left, and in the center. There’s antisemitism across the world, in countries that have completely different politics. It’s not unique to any party. Apparently, 34% of people surveyed across the globe are antisemitic. That’s depressing. But I think the left is animated and marching because the anti-semites are getting a boost from the oppressor/oppressed framework the left uses. Palestinians have protected status as Oppressed, and Jews are Oppressors of the Palestinians. To many people on the left, that excuses anything the Palestinians do and condemns anything Israel does in response. And antisemitic interests and activists play on that to encourage left-wing ‘fellow travelers’. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/209 "2023-12-09T19:41:38Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > If you, as a not-so-random example, support, say, a liberal political agenda, then you’re not a “good” Jew, you’re a pharisee - some no-goodnik who while a Jew wants to persecute “good Christian people.” And God help you if you say “Happy holidays”… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/210 "2023-12-09T19:45:15Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Do you have some quotes from them over the Hamas attack? Anything equivalent to calling for Genocide or excusing the rape of Jews? I don’t expect the party whose leadership - and about half the membership - believes that Barrack Obama was part of a decades-long Islamist plot to subvert American government have a significant pro-Palastinian contingent. But “Pro-Hamas” is far from the only form anti-Semitism takes. Which, incidentally, is also why the support of Christian theocrats for Israel is not wildly appreciated by actual Israelis. No one is really to keep to have the support of lunatic who may, tomorrow, decide that Israel is actually the enemy because they’ve been using their space lasers to protect the child-rape factories they’ve installed in pizza restaurants globally. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/211 "2023-12-09T19:45:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Shall we count the number of times you have complained to me about ‘partisan’ cites, and outright dismissed any evidence that came from them? Quote them, because what I do **is to look first at the content** , counter them with other cites (that point at examples about how silly your argument was), and only then I point out that they also are idiotic when your cites are partisan or good cites that are misquoted as it has been the case most recently coming from you or “right now”. I will not wait for you to check the very bad examples from the right that my cites pointed out, they are not imagined as many of your sources like to do. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/212 "2023-12-09T19:49:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Since Oct… 7. Again… why on Earth does that matter? If I get in a fight with an Arab person, and a known Nazi starts yelling “You go Jew, kick his Arab ass”, am I really supposed to forget that this guy is a Nazi and say “Thanks man, I’ll make sure to vote for you next election”? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > To many people on the left, that excuses anything the Palestinians do and condemns anything Israel does in response It is definitely a smaller fraction of politicians on the Left who act like this, than the fraction of politicians on the Right who engage in the kind of great replacement dog whistling that’s an actual threat in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/213 "2023-12-09T19:52:38Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And the point is, even if we took all of your cites at face value, that’s nothing even CLOSE to what’s happening on the left. As I said, and you grossly ignore, the few leaders in the left that are not condemning Hamas are criticized by Biden and others, the heads of the colleges are not approving the asinine protesters against Israel. The ones from the right are still in power, continuously defending the radicals on the right. And to ensure this will be normal when they lose elections: > **[Identifying far-right symbols that appeared at the U.S. Capitol riot](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-right-symbols-capitol-riot/)** > > The Post deconstructs the symbols found among the crowd that are connected with right-wing groups, including militias and online conspiracists. > **[Antisemitism and Support for Political Violence](https://www.adl.org/resources/report/antisemitism-and-support-political-violence)** > > ADL and CPOST found that trends that raised the greatest risk of antidemocratic violence in recent years are particularly associated with antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/214 "2023-12-09T20:10:33Z")
Forgot to add the main observations for the last ADL report: > Main findings of the study include: > > \*Highly antisemitic Americans (defined as individuals who accept multiple anti-Jewish tropes) are more likely to support political violence for causes they believe in, whether on the political right or left. > > \*Highly antisemitic Americans are two to three times more likely to support political violence to achieve far right goals, such as preventing the teaching of “critical race theory,” preventing Trump’s prosecution, and preserving the rights of whites. > > \*Highly antisemitic Americans are also more than twice as likely to support political violence for goals associated with the left, such as restoring the federal right to abortion, preventing police brutality, and preserving voting rights for minorities. > > \*Highly antisemitic Americans are twice as likely to support dangerous antidemocratic conspiracies, such as those declaring the U.S. is a “Christian nation,” believing that white Christians are oppressed or that white people will have less rights than minorities in the future (i.e., the “Great Replacement” idea). > > \*Compared to the general population, highly antisemitic Americans are three times more likely to support political violence to restore Donald Trump to the presidency. > Among highly antisemitic Americans, support for a “national divorce” between Red/Republican and Blue/Democratic states is over twice that in the general population (33 percent vs. 16 percent). > > \*Among highly antisemitic Americans, support for ignoring the U.S. Constitution is nearly three times greater than in the general population (31 percent versus 13 percent). I have to say, just like in the case of the anti CRT right wing talking points, “panics” like this one are framed as an attempt to divide the moderates and the left by conveniently forgetting important context. Context that shows that most moderate Democrats, most of the left wing and heads of colleges are not supporting what the right is accusing them of supporting here. While, at the same time, right wing leaders and influencers are telling all to ignore the big elephant in the room. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/215 "2023-12-09T20:29:55Z")
People, if I may. You’re once again entered the fantasy that Sam\_Stone, Troll, is being sincere. He’s a fucking troll (glad this thread is in the Pit). He rarely reads cites beyond the title, misrepresents most of what he reads, and is a huge troll anytime he thinks he can score points off ‘the libs’. You have let him make the thread all about him, _again_. Just remember, this isn’t some mis-informed, good natured poster, it’s a fucking troll that is LOVING the attention, because it’s now just another season of the S\_S show! Fuck that guy in his giant smirking troll face. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/216 "2023-12-09T20:36:06Z")
That goes without saying, so I don’t do it. 🙂 I concentrate on the many (surprising to find them still) posters that think that Sam is an asset to the SDMB. As one can see, he tried to defend an argument with a stupid fallacy (killing the messenger) and then trying to “kill” me with the same stupid argument. As I said before: Climate Change Computer modelers accused falsely of fraud, environmentalists like Rachel Cranston falsely accused of genocide, the minority professors and teachers that have their lives threatened thanks to the Orwellian lies the right wing media told and is telling about Critical Race Theory, College Heads falsely accused of antisemitism, and many others out there accused falsely by @Sam_Stone , send their regards to him. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/217 "2023-12-09T21:18:02Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s frightening because they clearly are willing to throw anything or anyone under the bus if doing so aligns with their mythos. I like this quote. No… I Love this quote. I find it to be Incredibly True! Speaking as an Atheist ( and an outsider ) who greets new people with open arms, it never ceases to amaze me how this quote applies to the hateful rebuff I so often receive. Did I not say hi when you moved in? Did I not bring a covered dish to the Block Party? Guess I’m just not good enough. Wrong ethnic back ground? Not a member of the right social club? MAGAs, Fundys & other spiteful hate groups are often this way. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/218 "2023-12-09T21:32:02Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Anything equivalent to calling for Genocide or excusing the rape of Jews? Sorry, I have lately resolved to stay out of the regularly scheduled Sam shit shows, but I can’t let this hang there. She handled it a bit clumsily, and later had to clarify, but at no time did she excuse the rape of Jews. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/219 "2023-12-09T22:18:31Z")
**Liz Magill resigns as UPenn president after disastrous hearing on antisemitism** [https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/09/business/upenn-board-of-trustees-meeting-liz-magill/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/09/business/upenn-board-of-trustees-meeting-liz-magill/index.html) I expect a major reason is: > One mega donor, Ross Stevens, is threatening to cancel a massive gift, now valued at about $100 million worth of shares, if Magill doesn’t leave. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/220 "2023-12-09T23:46:44Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > big liberal colleges are losing Jewish donors at a rapid clip Again, The University of Pennsylvania is not a “big liberal college.” It is a very conservative college with very hands-off policies and leans toward free speech absolutism. Stop changing reality to fit your narrative. The reality is that many conservative ideas, such as those practiced on Penn’s campus, lead to people feeling free to harass and intimidate students. Penn faculty aren’t standing up for anyone, gay, trans , Black, Latino, Asian or Jewish unless donors twist their arms. Maybe this will change now. (I said it was small, but I guess it has 24k students, which is still a damn sight less than the 50,000 people I went to college with, so I’m not sure at which point a college becomes “big.”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173.md?page=12)