# What is going on with the antisemitism from these college heads? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173 "2023-12-06T12:40:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/241 "2023-12-10T19:49:08Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Apparently, if its a bunch of white guys chanting “Jews will not replace us”, it’s just a free speech issue, because in Sam Stone land free speech is only for people whose views you agree with. FWIW, I also agree that Jews will not replace me. Mostly because I don’t think they’re trying to. I, of course, understand that torch-bearing white supremacists think differently. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/242 "2023-12-10T19:51:16Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Apparently, if its a bunch of white guys chanting “Jews will not replace us”, it’s just a free speech issue, because in Sam Stone land free speech is only for people whose views you agree with. Cite for me advocating for shutting down speech I disagree with, or retract that. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/243 "2023-12-10T19:51:57Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Depends on the context… Um… the context here is reality. The events described by @chappachula in the post I was responding to are not things that happened… in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/244 "2023-12-10T19:58:29Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > Apparently, if its a bunch of white guys chanting “Jews will not replace us”, it’s just a free speech issue, because in Sam Stone land free speech is only for people whose views you agree with. > > Cite for me advocating for shutting down speech I disagree with, or retract that. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > Apparently, if its a bunch of white guys chanting “Jews will not replace us”, it’s just a free speech issue, because in Sam Stone land free speech is only for people whose views you agree with. > > Cite for me advocating for shutting down speech I disagree with, or retract that. Fuck you, trollboy. Go away ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/245 "2023-12-10T20:05:04Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The _Left Behind_ series of books, which espouse the Christian Zionist theory that you say is fringe because your grandparents didn’t subscribe to it, sold 63 million copies, and spawned a bad movie and a children’s book series. You are conflating many things. My grandparents did in fact believe that the Jews returning to the holy land was one of the conditions required for the return of God. The bible is pretty clear about that. And this isn’t a crazy modern belief. The first President to advocate for a Jewish state in the middle east was John Adams. This does not mean that the only affinity for Jews among Christians is a cynical use of them to get themselves into heaven. As I said, not just my grandparents but pretty much everyone I knew from those congregations simply treated Jews as ‘God’s chosen people’. They didn’t need to be converted to Chritianity, and communing with them was good and helped bring you closer to God. I will say after researching this more that the issue is far more complex, and even among Mennonites there have been anti-semitic episodes, especially among German Mennonites in the WWII era. When I was attending church at a young age it was right in the middle of an outreach program between conference Mennonites and Jewish people. Most especially, there was a lot of cooperation and cultural sharing between Israeli Kibbutzim and Mennonite farming collectives, teaching each other how to work effectively in such arrangements. And I still don’t understand why Jews should be ‘terrified’ of such people, as opposed to the ones chasing them down school, hallways while shouting 'From the River to the Sea" at them, or beating them to death in the streets. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/246 "2023-12-10T20:08:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And I still don’t understand why Jews should be ‘terrified’ of such people, as opposed to the ones chasing them down school, hallways while shouting 'From the River to the Sea" at them, or beating them to death in the streets. There’s no “as opposed” – nuts are scary. Nuts are scary whether they’re Christian nuts who claim to be on my side or violent terrorist nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/247 "2023-12-10T20:09:36Z")
Maybe Sam schools travel the US explaining to Jews who they should be afraid of? After all who knows better than he? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/248 "2023-12-10T20:11:08Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Um… the context here is reality. The events described by @chappachula in the post I was responding to are not things that happened… in reality. Ummm…the events I described DID occur. It is reality. > **[Penn State students, locals gather for pro-Palestinian protest as part of...](https://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/article280463444.html)** > > A group of counter-protesters set up across the street, but the protest remained mostly peaceful. The link specifically says that there were shouts of “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” If you haven’t been paying attention, that slogan means one and only one thing: kill all the Jews living between the river and the sea…, i.e. genocide of Jews. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/249 "2023-12-10T20:18:12Z")
> > > rohit @krishnanrohit Most students have no idea what that slogan actually means, and when it’s explained to them, most reject it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/250 "2023-12-10T20:24:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Most students have no idea what that slogan actually means Yeah, this is not surprising in the least. I saw videos where they were asking some protesters which “river” and which “sea” are being discussed, and they had no idea. This doesn’t change the fact that the slogan calls for the elimination of the Jewish state (and we can look to history to see what this would mean for the Jewish people living there). ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/251 "2023-12-10T20:26:57Z")
Education? On a college campus? " I’m Shocked! Shocked to find that Learning is going on in here." [Registrar] “Your transcripts, sir.” [/Registrar] “Why thank you…” ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/252 "2023-12-10T20:45:28Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Um… the context here is reality. The events described by @chappachula in the post I was responding to are not things that happened… in reality. While that was a whoosh or you haven’t been following anything in this thread. I’m specifically referencing Penn’s Magill when asked if antisemetic chants are political speech or an actual threat, her claim was that it depended on context. I’ll give you a hint - it doesn’t. Threats against Jews for being Jewish are not protected speech. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/253 "2023-12-10T20:52:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > My grandparents did in fact believe that the Jews returning to the holy land was one of the conditions required for the return of God. The bible is pretty clear about that. And this isn’t a crazy modern belief. The first President to advocate for a Jewish state in the middle east was John Adams. > > This does not mean that the only affinity for Jews among Christians is a cynical use of them to get themselves into heaven. Tell me, when, some, Christians come to the conclusion that the only reason that Jesus hasn’t returned is because the Jews have not returned to Israel which do you think is more _likely_ given know history; Christians will accept that Jesus ain’t coming back and happily acquiesce to the Jews yet again denying Jesus with all that that implies. Ya know the thing at the root of 2,000 years of Christians murdering Jews. or Christians will do whatever is necessary, with all that that implies, to force the Jews to return to Israel. I know where I’m putting my money… ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/254 "2023-12-10T20:54:28Z")
In the USA, there is a large portion of the religious population, mostly evangelical, mostly conservative, that subscribes to the age-old trope that the Jews were responsible for the death of Christ. Remember that horrible hateful movie _Passion of the Christ_ that evangelical Christian’s flocked to in droves? At the time of that movie, the Pew Research Center found that a little over a quarter of the US population subscribed to that theory. > **[Belief that Jews were Responsible for Christ’s Death Increases](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2004/04/02/belief-that-jews-were-responsible-for-christs-death-increases/)** > > Summary of Findings A growing minority of Americans believe that Jews were responsible for Christ's death. Roughly a quarter of the public (26%) now Other right wing tropes play directly into anti-semitism……such as the entire “Fake News” narrative, which has its roots in the conspiracy theory about Jews controlling the media. In fact, most modern conspiracy theories have their roots in the theory that there is a globalist network of Jews controlling the media and the banking and finance industries, and “anti-Globalism” is just a dog whistle for anti-semitism. Some might even say it’s a call for genocide. > **[How anti-Semitic beliefs have taken hold among some evangelical Christians](https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/22/how-anti-semitic-beliefs-have-quietly-taken-hold-among-some-evangelical-christians/)** > > While President Trump calls most Jews disloyal, some American Christians are following pastors who blame Jews for a long list of the nation’s ills. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/255 "2023-12-10T20:55:03Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > The link specifically says that there were shouts of “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” > If you haven’t been paying attention, that slogan means one and only one thing: kill all the Jews living between the river and the sea…, i.e. genocide of Jews. That’s not what you described in your previous post… > [@chappachula](#): > > From the left: presidents of prestigious universities, speaking to Congress, proudly saying that they encourage the future leaders on their campuses who support murder of Jews. Your cite does not support your claim. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/256 "2023-12-10T20:56:26Z")
Yes, but it’s comforting to know that most of these students probably have no idea. Which means most of them could be educated away from anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/257 "2023-12-10T21:00:49Z")
Here’s the source of all these stories. > **[Opinion | From Which River to Which Sea?](https://www.wsj.com/articles/from-which-river-to-which-sea-anti-israel-protests-college-student-ignorance-a682463b)** > > College students don’t know, yet they agree with the slogan. Apparently almost no one knows who Arafat was (and 10% think he was the prime minister of Israel). It doesn’t bother me so much that people don’t know anything about Israel. I think Israel’s outsized fame in both the Western and Arab world is much more a curse than a blessing; I always get a bit weirded out when people gush over how special Israel is to them when I tell them I’m from there, because the things that make it special to me are not the same things that make it special to them. But maybe you should find out what a slogan means before you start shouting it on camera. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/258 "2023-12-10T21:03:06Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But maybe you should find out what a slogan means before you start shouting it on camera. [cough] Tea bagging. [cough] ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/259 "2023-12-10T21:05:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, but it’s comforting to know that most of these students probably have no idea. Which means most of them could be educated away from anti-Semitism Definitely. This is why I am not particularly worked up by that sort of thing, but I do call it out (because that’s where the education comes from). Now, sometimes (and rarely here in the US, this is more of a European thing, and not at universities) these chants are accompanied by more explicit calls. Like “Gas the Jews”. That’s when you know there’s something more seruous than ignorance going on. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173/260 "2023-12-10T21:06:41Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Your cite does not support your claim. Huh? Protests were held on campus openly shouting a slogan calling for genocide of Jews. In front of Congress, the president of that campus proudly says that calling for genocide is okay “depending on context”. I stand by my cite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-going-on-with-the-antisemitism-from-these-college-heads/994173.md?page=14)