FWIW, I also agree that Jews will not replace me. Mostly because I don’t think they’re trying to. I, of course, understand that torch-bearing white supremacists think differently.
Cite for me advocating for shutting down speech I disagree with, or retract that.
Um… the context here is reality. The events described by @chappachula in the post I was responding to are not things that happened… in reality.
Fuck you, trollboy. Go away
You are conflating many things. My grandparents did in fact believe that the Jews returning to the holy land was one of the conditions required for the return of God. The bible is pretty clear about that. And this isn’t a crazy modern belief. The first President to advocate for a Jewish state in the middle east was John Adams.
This does not mean that the only affinity for Jews among Christians is a cynical use of them to get themselves into heaven. As I said, not just my grandparents but pretty much everyone I knew from those congregations simply treated Jews as ‘God’s chosen people’. They didn’t need to be converted to Chritianity, and communing with them was good and helped bring you closer to God.
I will say after researching this more that the issue is far more complex, and even among Mennonites there have been anti-semitic episodes, especially among German Mennonites in the WWII era. When I was attending church at a young age it was right in the middle of an outreach program between conference Mennonites and Jewish people. Most especially, there was a lot of cooperation and cultural sharing between Israeli Kibbutzim and Mennonite farming collectives, teaching each other how to work effectively in such arrangements.
And I still don’t understand why Jews should be ‘terrified’ of such people, as opposed to the ones chasing them down school, hallways while shouting 'From the River to the Sea" at them, or beating them to death in the streets.
There’s no “as opposed” – nuts are scary. Nuts are scary whether they’re Christian nuts who claim to be on my side or violent terrorist nuts.
Maybe Sam schools travel the US explaining to Jews who they should be afraid of? After all who knows better than he?
Ummm…the events I described DID occur. It is reality.
The link specifically says that there were shouts of “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
If you haven’t been paying attention, that slogan means one and only one thing: kill all the Jews living between the river and the sea…, i.e. genocide of Jews.
Most students have no idea what that slogan actually means, and when it’s explained to them, most reject it.
Yeah, this is not surprising in the least. I saw videos where they were asking some protesters which “river” and which “sea” are being discussed, and they had no idea.
This doesn’t change the fact that the slogan calls for the elimination of the Jewish state (and we can look to history to see what this would mean for the Jewish people living there).
Education? On a college campus?
" I’m Shocked! Shocked to find that Learning is going on in here."
[ Registrar ] “Your transcripts, sir.” [ /Registrar ]
“Why thank you…”
While that was a whoosh or you haven’t been following anything in this thread. I’m specifically referencing Penn’s Magill when asked if antisemetic chants are political speech or an actual threat, her claim was that it depended on context. I’ll give you a hint - it doesn’t. Threats against Jews for being Jewish are not protected speech.
Tell me, when, some, Christians come to the conclusion that the only reason that Jesus hasn’t returned is because the Jews have not returned to Israel which do you think is more likely given know history;
Christians will accept that Jesus ain’t coming back and happily acquiesce to the Jews yet again denying Jesus with all that that implies. Ya know the thing at the root of 2,000 years of Christians murdering Jews.
or
Christians will do whatever is necessary, with all that that implies, to force the Jews to return to Israel.
I know where I’m putting my money…
In the USA, there is a large portion of the religious population, mostly evangelical, mostly conservative, that subscribes to the age-old trope that the Jews were responsible for the death of Christ. Remember that horrible hateful movie Passion of the Christ that evangelical Christian’s flocked to in droves?
At the time of that movie, the Pew Research Center found that a little over a quarter of the US population subscribed to that theory.
Other right wing tropes play directly into anti-semitism……such as the entire “Fake News” narrative, which has its roots in the conspiracy theory about Jews controlling the media. In fact, most modern conspiracy theories have their roots in the theory that there is a globalist network of Jews controlling the media and the banking and finance industries, and “anti-Globalism” is just a dog whistle for anti-semitism. Some might even say it’s a call for genocide.
That’s not what you described in your previous post…
Your cite does not support your claim.
Yes, but it’s comforting to know that most of these students probably have no idea. Which means most of them could be educated away from anti-Semitism.
Here’s the source of all these stories.
Apparently almost no one knows who Arafat was (and 10% think he was the prime minister of Israel).
It doesn’t bother me so much that people don’t know anything about Israel. I think Israel’s outsized fame in both the Western and Arab world is much more a curse than a blessing; I always get a bit weirded out when people gush over how special Israel is to them when I tell them I’m from there, because the things that make it special to me are not the same things that make it special to them.
But maybe you should find out what a slogan means before you start shouting it on camera.
[cough] Tea bagging. [cough]
Definitely. This is why I am not particularly worked up by that sort of thing, but I do call it out (because that’s where the education comes from).
Now, sometimes (and rarely here in the US, this is more of a European thing, and not at universities) these chants are accompanied by more explicit calls. Like “Gas the Jews”. That’s when you know there’s something more seruous than ignorance going on.
Huh?
Protests were held on campus openly shouting a slogan calling for genocide of Jews.
In front of Congress, the president of that campus proudly says that calling for genocide is okay “depending on context”.
I stand by my cite.