What is it about America and change?

One thing I’ve noticed when it comes to US media and a certain segment of the population, even some regular posters here, is that there seems to be a lot of fear.

Fear of the USSR during the Cold War was understandable but McCarthyism got badly out of control. In the 80s, there was a lot of fear related to Japan. In the 90s, it was Mexico. Now, it’s China.

From the perspective of this Canadian who likes guns, a lot of gun control opponents seem motivated by fear. People seem ready to spend a good chunk of money for guns which have a quite low probability of doing more than making them feel safe. Guns seem to be their steel Teddy Bears.

Then you’ve got the paranoia about gun laws being a prelude to a coming dictatorship.
If you look at the world values survey, you’ll see that self-expression values are quite high in the US and are similar to other developed countries. However, when it comes to traditional values (which emphasize doing things the way they’ve been done in the past), the US is similar to Ethiopia, Ireland, Zambia and Poland.
http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/wvs/articles/folder_published/article_base_54
I partly blame the fact that there are large tracts of rural populations which don’t seem to be exposed to the cosmopolitan civilizing influence of the city.

I don’t know that we can assume that Americans are necessarily more resistant to change than other groups of human beings. Humans in general both fear and embrace change–we want things to get better, but we fear making things worse.

As to the seeingly most salient issue, universal health care, it can be easy to think that someplace, like, say Canada, probably just went and implemented single-payer, eh? All very polite and efficient and sensible, eh?

But actually, when single-payer was first introduced in Canada–initially at the provincial level, in Saskatchewan–it was by all accounts pretty controversial; and we’re not just talking about polite disagreements either, we’re talking about burning the provincial premier in effigy, occupations of legislative buildings, and a strike–oh, and all that was done by doctors!

One point made in that article (which is about exactly 20 years old; it was written in response to the attempt at health care reform made during the Clinton Administration) is that there is a structural difference in the government of the United States as opposed to the governments of other advanced nations. The U.S. Constitution is designed on the “checks and balances” model; “gridlock” or at least resistance to change wasn’t considered a bug, but a feature, by the framers of the U.S. Constitution. Elsewhere, parliamentary systems are much more common, allowing the party or coalition of parties that wins the election–and it’s often a single national election, not 536 separate national elections–to implement whatever program they ran on and received a mandate from the people to do in spite of assorted effigy-burnings, strikes, and protests. (That this is a difference between the U.S. and other First World countries–and maybe a significant flaw of the American system–is something that’s been talked about in relation to this decade’s round of huge fights over health care reform, government shutdowns, and general gridlock.)

So, Americans as a people aren’t necessarily any more innately resistant to change than Canadians or Swedes or whoever, but our system was set up in a way that magnifies resistance to change and makes implementing change more difficult. (This probably also explains the problems with implementing less consequential changes, like updating our currency or implementing the Metric System, as well as the big stuff like health care reform.) Our Constitution’s innate conservatism probably does interact with the political temperament of the American people in a sort of feedback loop–we grow up learning about “checks and balances” and sort of taking in from an early age that our Constitution’s resistance to quick or radical change is a good thing–which, for some kinds of change, I suppose it is. Hard for a dictator or radical totalitarian movement to seize power. Unfortunately, also hard to implement universal health care. (Or get rid of the freaking penny.)

This Brit was about to chime in with the ‘same answer’, albeit in a decidedly different ironic register, if you will. The chain of “logic” goes something like this:

America is top dog in a number of monkeythinking indices, particularly economic and military power.
Therefore America is the greatest country on Earth.
America does a number of things differently from almost all other developed countries - e.g. not using metric, not having UHC, having the death penalty.
Therefore it is the greatest country on Earth because it does these things differently. (Danger Will Robinson! Massive logic fail! Oh shut up you with your elitist liberal poindexter ivory tower ideas…)
Therefore if it started doing things like others do them, it would stop being the greatest country on Earth.
And this cannot be permitted because either America is the greatest country on Earth, or it is a terrible post-apocalyptic wasteland, there’s no two ways about it. (c.f. ‘You’re either with us or against us’)

Of course historically we needn’t single out the US for this pathological way of ‘thinking’. It’s exactly the same as nearly every Briton would have thought back around 1750-1950. Indeed you can still pick up a copy of our ‘Daily Mail’ any time you can bear to, to see what the world looks like to a bunch of stupid uncritical thinkers who never got the memo and never will.

Nor is it shared amongst the whole US population, of course. Ironically, the scientists, engineers and artists that have actually made their country as great as it is are the people least likely to hold to such uncritical exceptionalist views.

I’m going to wait for some support for the claim that Americans are particularly resistant to change before I write my wall of text.

Yes, this of course is best illustrated by the long lines of people seeking to immigrate to Iran and the lack of desire of anyone to live in the US.

That was an excellent and helpful post, MEBuckner.

I’d like to make a point- to the rest of the world, things that the US does look pretty strange, when they’re really not “things the US does”.

For example, our shared sovereignty Federal system of government means that things like capital punishment are out of the control of the Federal government for the most part. This is pretty foreign to most other governments in the world where the regional governments are subordinate to the central government.

Also, I think MEBuckner nailed it in one post. I’d add that the general conception I’ve understood about our Federal government is that if an issue isn’t important enough to get enough bipartisan support and/or enough partisan support and concessions to the other party to get passed, then it probably is something that shouldn’t get passed in the first place.

Time and again in the Obamacare debate, people kept mentioning that well over 80% of folks reported they were satisfied with their current coverage; if I’m already satisfied with something, just how enthusiastic do you expect me to be about rolling the dice on change? If it’s a change that makes things a little worse, then you’re kind of a dick. If it’s a change that makes things a little better, I was already satisfied.

Pitch me on change for stuff I’m not satisfied with, I’m as fast as the next guy. Pitch me on change for the opposite? Cue my reluctance and resistance.

Essentially, because t’ain’t so.

If the average person pays less into a health care insurance system than he or she receives in health care on average, the system will go bankrupt. If my taxes are already paying for health care for people without insurance, then I am not saving any money by paying taxes to pay for their premiums either.

Unless you are arguing that preventative care saves money overall, which it typically doesn’t.

Regards,
Shodan

You mean “80% of people with private health insurance”, not “80% of people” because 80% of Americans aren’t covered by private health insurance - only 63% are. The rest are uninsured or covered by some form of government insurance (Medicare/caid, etc). If 80% of the 63% are happy, then that means barely half of Americans are “satisfied with their current (private) coverage.”

This.

Change for the sake of change is not a good thing. Change should benefit everyone, and Obamacare is a perfect example of this. It not only doesn’t benefit anyone, it’s going to damage people in the long run. But it was implemented simply because “OMG we don’t have universal health care we gotta change NOW”, with no consideration whatsoever for the long term effects.

If you seriously think this has anything at all to do with the point I was making, I won’t waste my time trying to disabuse you of the notion.

Still, if “barely half” are satisfied, that nevertheless briskly explains why the majority may well have been resistant to “change”. (At that, make sure to plug in a bigger number than “80” for the satisfaction reported by me and mine.)

On an issue where ‘barely one-fifth’ or ‘barely two-elevenths’ are satisfied, you’ll presumably find greater enthusiasm for “change”. On an issue where ‘barely nine-tenths’ of people are satisfied, you’ll presumably find even less enthusiasm for “change”.

Just wait till the US dollar ceases being the standard currency and the US economy goes down in flames and see how quickly things can change.

In any other republican country, the current gridlock would have led to the fall of the government, the dissolution of congress and new elections (including all of the senate) and they could find out what the citizenry really wants.

One of the structural problems is that the primary system was expected to open up politics but has been turned out to be a complete disaster since so few people vote in them that a determined majority can dominate the process. Much better would be a revised electoral system that required a runoff (maybe instant runoff) to make sure that whoever is elected gets at least 50% of the vote. Then a Republican would know that he could still win even if a tea partier ran against him/her.

Once upon a time (nearly 60 years ago, long before the current problems) I took a course in poly sci and the professor (a PhD student of Richard Neuberger, protégé of Wayne Morse and later Senator from Oregon) explained that the primary purpose of a political organization was to win the primary election. Even if they wrecked the party in doing so, they would own the wreckage and whatever patronage accrued to the minority party (and there was always some) would come to them. This was on eye-opener to me, but obvious when you thought about it.

So the tea party may be out to wreck the US, so long as they own the wreckage.

I have really good coverage and still want UHC. It’s not all about me for some of us.

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Well, obviously, or else it wouldn’t make a ton of sense to talk about it passing despite big fine majority satisfaction; even if it’s not all about me, it’s plenty enough to explain – as per the OP – the resistance and reluctance to that particular change.

Heck, even the like of your commendably selfless regard for others can go a long way: given how many people don’t have to buy insurance – what with already having policies in general, and satisfying policies in particular – how else to explain the especially high disapproval numbers for the individual mandate? Those are folks who won’t be penalized, but, hey, It’s Not All About Me for them.

I don’t consider it selfless regard for others all that much. It just seems like a much more practical and efficient system for all to me.

I also like change sometimes solely for change’s sake. Trust me, I know I’m in a creepily small minority in that regard. I’d rather try a new way and fail than live with an ok but flawed system, which, of course, is a lot easier to think in terms of oneself than it is when it involves big systems and lots of people.

Well, yeah. I mean, if I’m just thinking of myself, I’d be reluctant to change things if I’m already satisfied – but if I’m thinking of lots of people, I’d be reluctant to change things if I might thereby ruin things for an already-satisfied majority.

Change isn’t good. Good is good. If a change is bad, then it isn’t good, even if it is change.
The phrases ‘take it slowly’ and ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ go well with a lot of things. I’m thinking about Thalidomide (sp?) just now. That was a change/improvement, allegedly. Try the Edsel. There are 10 hundred billion changes that looked good, which sucked. (Just remembered the Aswan Dam.)
And, the metric system does have values, but, not really that much better. I have a vehicle which runs most spectacularly, and it generally requires ASE wrenches. Whence this using metric as a measure (heh) for value? Unnecessary change, not good or bad.
WTF thinks that Americans are exclusive in being resistant to change?