# What is it about the Middle East that turns men into farging icehole sexist pigs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771 "2006-11-17T02:14:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/21 "2006-11-17T14:04:59Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Like I said, I thought the Israelis were somehow better than us as far as crime goes. Now I know better. [/QUOTE] Why would you ever have thought such a thing? People are people, all around the world, with all the virtues and faults that come with humanity. There’s no monopoly on evil, or on good, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/22 "2006-11-17T14:09:20Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Why would you ever have thought such a thing? People are people, all around the world, with all the virtues and faults that come with humanity. There’s no monopoly on evil, or on good, for that matter. [/QUOTE] Well, I did. I thought being under seige all the time kind of kept them more on the straight and narrow. I knew Israelis weren’t perfect, but the notion that they’re going through a thousand sex slaves a year casts them in a diferent light entirely. I mean, it’s one thing to be defending the old kibbutz or Jerusalem, but seems like they’re also defending the old slave pen. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/23 "2006-11-17T14:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] In the pics all you ever see is stinky-looking guys in uniforms carrying assualt rifles and pigtailed orthodox jews. [/QUOTE] That was just during the bus drivers’ strike. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/24 "2006-11-17T15:18:41Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Reality and fantasy. Different. [/QUOTE] Also different: An occasional private fantasy versus a creepy obssession regularly trotted out in front of strangers long after one been told by many of them that they find the depth of his fixation disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/25 "2006-11-17T15:25:57Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] \*\* What is it about the Middle East that turns men into farging icehole sexist pigs?\*\* [/QUOTE] Falafel. Little known fact. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/26 "2006-11-17T15:28:04Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain] Falafel. Little known fact. [/QUOTE] Look what it did to Bill O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/27 "2006-11-17T15:58:56Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Well, I did. I thought being under seige all the time kind of kept them more on the straight and narrow. I knew Israelis weren’t perfect, but the notion that they’re going through a thousand sex slaves a year casts them in a diferent light entirely. I mean, it’s one thing to be defending the old kibbutz or Jerusalem, but seems like they’re also defending the old slave pen. [/QUOTE] Well, Israel is nation of 6.3 million people, you know. While obviously it’s terrible and a disgrace that it’s happening, it’s not like Israel is some giant slave market. Like other people have said, trafficking in persons is a global problem. In Israel, specifically, a lot of the sex trade is organized and carried out by the Russian mob. When the Soviet Union fell, a lot of Russian Jews and people claiming to be Russian Jews came to Israel. Unfortunately, while most of them were honest citizens, the Russian mob also came, and used their superior connections and money to take over the Israeli underworld. They’re the ones who are responsible for most of this…they bring the girls in from Russia and the other countries of the former Soviet Union, and smuggle them across the Egyptian border. To its credit, Israel is aware of the problem and taking steps to fight trafficing, as law year’s parliamentary investigation referenced in the article indicates. But it’s still a problem to fight, in part because most of the women involved are in the country illegally, scared of the authorities, and don’t speak Hebrew, so they’re discouraged from seeking help. And, since the people responsible for the trafficking do it as part of a greater criminal organization, in some cases they have the money to corrupt policemen and judges. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/28 "2006-11-17T16:33:45Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] I didn’t know there WERE 5,000 women in Israel. In the pics all you ever see is stinky-looking guys in uniforms carrying assualt rifles .. [/QUOTE] A fairly good number of those “stinky-looking guys in uniforms” are \*chayalot \* . 😛 > **[Israel Defense Forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Women_in_the_IDF)** > > The Israel Defense Forces (IDF; Hebrew: צְבָא הֲגָנָה לְיִשְׂרָאֵל, romanized: Tsva Hagana le-Yisra'elⓘ, lit. 'Army for the Defense of Israel'), alternatively referred to by the Hebrew-language acronym Tzahal (צה״ל), is the national military of the State of Israel. It consists of three service branches: the Israeli Ground Forces, the Israeli Air Force, and the Israeli Navy. It is the sole military wing of the Israeli security apparatus. The IDF is headed by the chief of the general staff, who ... > **[Redirect Notice](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:%2F%2Fwww.israelimages.com%2Fmedium%2F12065.jpg&imgrefurl=http:%2F%2Fwww.israelimages.com%2Ffiles%2F12065.htm&h=250&w=375&sz=65&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=G_CbRMp75r-vcM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=122&prev=%2Fimages%3Fq%3D%2Bfemale%2Bisraeli%2Bsoldier%26svnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)** Who many think are rather hot looking actually. I know that the USA also has had sex-slave problems. But the figures from the USA are under 15K, whilst Isreal, with only 1/50th the population of the USA would seem to have a much bigger problem with that 5000 figure. However, from the numbers I have seen (no cites, seaching for anything with “sex” in it is dicey) the Saudis have the biggest problem with sex-slavery. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/29 "2006-11-17T16:57:48Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Also different: An occasional private fantasy versus a creepy obssession regularly trotted out in front of strangers long after one been told by many of them that they find the depth of his fixation disturbing. [/QUOTE] You do understand that I’m against sex slavery, right Furt? Look at my hand, how many fingers am I holding up? Furt? Furt? Anybody home? ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/30 "2006-11-17T18:05:10Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] In the pics all you ever see is stinky-looking guys in uniforms carrying assualt rifles and pigtailed orthodox jews. [/QUOTE] [O RLY?](http://www.serialno3817131.com/) And again, [O RLY?](http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13) ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/31 "2006-11-17T18:07:09Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] No it’s not. Just because sex slavery exists in the US, it doesn’t mean sex slavery in Israel is OK. Murder exists in the US too, does that mean it’s OK everywhere else? Like I said, I thought the Israelis were somehow better than us as far as crime goes. Now I know better. [/QUOTE] [You’re being totally disingenuous with regard to what I was saying. See? I addressed this point in post 10.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7972752&postcount=10) I was completely clear in that our problems don’t justify theirs. You’re just looking to argue with some imaginary point. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/32 "2006-11-17T18:09:06Z")
[QUOTE=elmwood] [O RLY?](http://www.serialno3817131.com/) And again, [O RLY?](http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13) [/QUOTE] Zomg! Stop lying! Those farging icehole sexist pigs don’t have compulsory military service for men and women! Every sexist knows that women can’t shoot and stuff, duh! See, those women are really sex workers. Hey, everyone has their kink. Don’t judge. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/33 "2006-11-17T18:45:41Z")
Johns should be demanding free-range, cage-free hookers. Vote with your wallets, fellas. I’ve always wondered about this whole sex slave trafficking thing. It seems to me that all the machinations involved with imprisoning someone, forcing them to be sex workers, and hiding it from the law would be more costly and troublesome than just paying free-will workers a fair wage. Obviously, I haven’t had to sit down and actually do the math on this, so maybe I’m completely off-base. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/34 "2006-11-17T18:56:03Z")
[QUOTE=elmwood] [O RLY?](http://www.serialno3817131.com/) And again, [O RLY?](http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13) [/QUOTE] damn. When’s the next flight to Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/35 "2006-11-17T19:13:36Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] [You’re being totally disingenuous with regard to what I was saying. See? I addressed this point in post 10.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7972752&postcount=10) [/quote] You’re right, I didn’t address the point directly, but I will. You’re right, sex slavery is a worldwide phenomenon. Asia probably has more of it than the middle East on a numerical basis, just because they have so much more people on a numerical basis. That said, the Middle East is, so far as I can be, the unchallenged CAPITAL of sexist piggery. Hell, they still stone women to death for adultery in some countries there. Pakistan is hotly debating whether or not to dump a law whereby, if a woman is raped she has to find four men to say they actually witnessed the rape, and by witnessed we mean saw the penetration. If she can’t manage this and still makes a rape accusation, she is accused of zina, consensual sex with someone other than your husband, and held without bail. If convicted of zina she is killed. Reports are women in jail on zina charges get raped a lot. Then you got your honor killings in places like Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, etc. Now I’ll grant you that there are millions of middle eastern moderates out there who probably think this is as awful as I do. whoops, work calls more later. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/36 "2006-11-17T19:18:19Z")
Pakistan is not in the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/37 "2006-11-17T19:35:49Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Also different: An occasional private fantasy versus a creepy obssession regularly trotted out in front of strangers long after one been told by many of them that they find the depth of his fixation disturbing. [/QUOTE] And I find it creepy and disturbing that you’d equate BDSM with actual rape and exploitation. Who do you think we are? ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/38 "2006-11-17T20:16:54Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Also different: An occasional private fantasy versus a creepy obssession regularly trotted out in front of strangers long after one been told by many of them that they find the depth of his fixation disturbing. [/QUOTE] You know, I agree. **Furt** , your fixation on **Evil Captor** needs to stay inside your head. Please stop posting about him; it’s freaking the rest of us out. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/39 "2006-11-17T20:32:04Z")
[QUOTE=elmwood] [O RLY?](http://www.serialno3817131.com/) And again, [O RLY?](http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13) [/QUOTE] I’ll be in my bunk. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771/40 "2006-11-17T22:18:47Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] damn. When’s the next flight to Israel? [/QUOTE] And, just as importantly, how can I create a “disturbance” on the plane and have to be “taken into custody?” 🙂 _leer_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-about-the-middle-east-that-turns-men-into-farging-icehole-sexist-pigs/380771.md?page=1)