# What IS it with Republicans and not wanting to get vaccinated? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 8, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004 "2021-11-08T21:26:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/81 "2021-11-09T19:20:53Z")
Yes, you’ve got it correct now. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/82 "2021-11-09T19:21:46Z")
Yep, pretty much what the data shows. Vaccination is a 9x multiplier on survival, so people who chose not to get the vaccine and then die are quite likely to have lived had they been vaccinated. That’s roughly in line with behavior most people would call stupid. **Per 100k Unvaccinated Singaporeans** - 4.5 / 100k are Critically ill / ICU - 0.9 / 100k are dying **Per 100k Vaccinated Singaporeans** - 0.5 / 100k are Critically ill / ICU - 0.1 / 100k are dying ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/83 "2021-11-09T19:23:54Z")
Haha! Nicely done. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/84 "2021-11-09T19:24:27Z")
Yes! That is just about right. Perhaps closer to: Unvaxxed deaths : “People are dying because they are being lied to about vaccine efficacy” Vaxxed deaths : “People are dying because vaccine efficacy is only 70-90% and so many people were duped into not getting vaccinated that the virus is still running rampant causing many at-risk people to die unnecessarily” ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/85 "2021-11-09T19:30:35Z")
Yes I’ve noticed the narrative change as the vaxx efficacy goes to miniscule levels after 6 months. At around 7 months you are basically unvaxxed again. Suddenly people begin to realize that 64% of covid deaths have 6 of more comorbidities and the average age of death is higher than average life expectancy. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/86 "2021-11-09T19:32:32Z")
This above post is devoid of any meaningful content as the poster just created a false “narrative” that they want to attack and is non-responsive to posted factual data. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/87 "2021-11-09T19:32:45Z")
Science is not a narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/88 "2021-11-09T19:34:05Z")
If you look closely at the statistics for deaths from falling from several thousand feet, you’ll find that the vast majority of the people who died were wearing parachutes. Clearly, parachutes are useless. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/89 "2021-11-09T19:34:15Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Yes I’ve noticed the narrative change as the vaxx efficacy goes to miniscule levels after 6 months. At around 7 months you are basically unvaxxed again. Again, for anyone reading this, this is false. @agzem, let me try again. Let’s say you had 1 million people and 999,999 of them were vaccinated. Two people died, one that was vaxxed and one that wasn’t. You can rightly say that 50% of the deaths were vaccinated people. However, would you say that the vaccine was ineffective? No, of course not. Because in my theoretical case, the unvaccinated people had 100% death rate, but the vaccinated only had 1/999,998 death rate. Is this any clearer to you? ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/90 "2021-11-09T19:35:05Z")
Most people these days wear seatbelts. Seatbelts have proven quite effective at reducing the risk of death in the event of a collision. Yet people who wear seatbelts still die in collisions. It’s possible more of the people dying in collisions were wearing seatbelts, just because far more people were wearing seatbelts in the first place, because as effective as seatbelts are, they fall short of 100%. I’m under 40, but I’m old enough to remember people loudly not getting this about seatbelts, either. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/91 "2021-11-09T19:37:01Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Unvaxxed deaths : “People are dying from covid because they are stupid” > > Vaxxed deaths: “People are dying from covid because they are elderly and have several comorbidities. It’s all explained with statistics” Covid - or any serious illness - is always going to be more fatal to the elderly and the unhealthy, than it is to younger and fitter cohorts. That’s why, when comparing death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, you compare groups that are otherwise similar. You compare elderly unvaccinated to elderly vaccinated, cancer patients to cancer patients, and so on. What you’re doing is, effectively, comparing the death rate among vaccinated people over 70, to unvaccinated people in their 30s, and then acting like it means something when a bunch of people in their 70s and 80s die. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/92 "2021-11-09T19:37:17Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > This above post is devoid of any meaningful content as the poster just created a false “narrative” that they want to attack and is non-responsive to posted factual data. > **[Report: New Study Shows Drastic Decline In COVID Vaccine Effectiveness Over Time](https://www.outkick.com/report-new-study-shows-drastic-decline-in-covid-vaccines-effectiveness-over-time/)** > > All three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans became less effective as the Delta variant became dominant in the U.S., with vaccine efficacy among a ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/93 "2021-11-09T19:38:20Z")
Note that the linked article does not show what this person claims: > [@agzem](#): > > Yes I’ve noticed the narrative change as the vaxx efficacy goes to miniscule levels after 6 months. At around 7 months you are basically unvaxxed again. > > Suddenly people begin to realize that 64% of covid deaths have 6 of more comorbidities and the average age of death is higher than average life expectancy. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/94 "2021-11-09T19:39:01Z")
Previous post on this topic > [@Massive measles outbreak - thank you, Andrew Fucking Wakefield](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/810): > > Yeah. When you get vaccinated, you directly reduce your chance of catching a disease if you’re exposed to it. When other people get vaccinated, it indirectly reduces your chance of getting a disease because it reduces the chance that you get exposed. Obviously, reducing your chance of getting exposed and reducing the chance of catching the disease if exposed, is really good news. While we’re dealing with common vaccine misconceptions, here’s an interesting one. Suppose there’s a vaccine th… ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/95 "2021-11-09T19:41:33Z")
So, you agree that the vaccine is effective now? That’s excellent! And, I guess you’re recommending people get booster shots, too! It’s rare to see such an about face in a SDMB thread. Quite gratifying. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/96 "2021-11-09T19:42:11Z")
Jesus, man, here is the conclusion from the study YOU linked to: > [@](#): > > Although breakthrough infection increased risk of death, vaccination remained protective against death in persons who became infected during the Delta surge. From July to October 2021, VE-D for age 65 years was 73.0% for Janssen, 81.5% for Moderna, and 84.3% for Pfizer-BioNTech; VE-D for age ≥65 years was 52.2% for Janssen, 75.5% for Moderna, and 70.1% for Pfizer-BioNTech. Findings support continued efforts to increase vaccination, booster campaigns, and multiple, additional layers of protection against infection. How in any way does this align with your claim of “At around 7 months you are basically unvaxxed again.”? ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/97 "2021-11-09T19:45:39Z")
[https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.abm0620/asset/7ae716b6-8e17-4e19-883b-3334a244675f/assets/images/large/science.abm0620-f1.jpg](https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.abm0620/asset/7ae716b6-8e17-4e19-883b-3334a244675f/assets/images/large/science.abm0620-f1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/98 "2021-11-09T19:51:06Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > [https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.abm0620/asset/7ae716b6-8e17-4e19-883b-3334a244675f/assets/images/large/science.abm0620-f1.jpg](https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.abm0620/asset/7ae716b6-8e17-4e19-883b-3334a244675f/assets/images/large/science.abm0620-f1.jpg) - Care to link to the article/paper that comes from? Or is there a reason you’re hiding it? ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/99 "2021-11-09T19:52:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Care to link to the article/paper that comes from? Or is there a reason you’re hiding it? Yes that’s the same study linked in the Outkick story. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004/100 "2021-11-09T19:53:26Z")
Here is the original article in Science…note the Outkick article uses hyperbole to get eyeballs, but the Science article contradicts nearly everything the poster is saying here… [https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620) Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-republicans-and-not-wanting-to-get-vaccinated/954004.md?page=6)