# What is it with the WONJCT? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359 "2009-04-08T04:43:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/21 "2009-04-08T14:51:12Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > The Queen foresaw that she might need protection some day for her drug-running operations. The [Queen is many things](http://web.archive.org/web/20000301054123/http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html), but she doesn’t run drugs Queen Elizabeth II of the UK: Satanist, child sacrificer, shapeshifting reptilian. Major Illuminati figure. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/22 "2009-04-08T14:58:53Z")
FWIW, “The Obama Deception” mentioned in the OP is a new “documentary” by [Alex Jones](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Obama_Deception), a [NWO](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)) WONJCT. IIUC, the OP is asking the SDMB to debunk the DVD. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/23 "2009-04-08T15:09:31Z")
Jones is basically the less crazy face of anti-Semitic theory conspiracists. The difference is that he doesn’t say “Jew” out loud- but that’s what he’s talking about. Richard Poplawski, the Binghamton shooter, was a big fan of _InfoWars_. ---
**Author:** ![Jester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jester/32/8223_2.png) [@Jester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jester)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/24 "2009-04-08T15:10:57Z")
Jo nz pqjojpo, npouz tipvme ibwf nbef npsf pg bo buufnqu up nblf ijt ejtdvttjpo upqjd b tnjehf npsf dmfbs up vt, uif qptujoh qvcmjd pg uif tusbjhiu epqf nfttbhf cpbset, xifo jojujbujoh uif dsfbujpo pg uif uisfbe. Up opu ep tp dpvme qpttjcmz cf tffo bt fmjujt, offemfttmz fydmvtjwf, boe epxosjhiu svef. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/25 "2009-04-08T15:12:27Z")
Forget the Obama Deception, it’s the [Obama Decepticon](http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/18600000/ngbbs499caaa911e74.jpg) I’m worried about. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/26 "2009-04-08T15:24:41Z")
> [@Jester](#): > > Jo nz pqjojpo, npouz tipvme ibwf nbef npsf pg bo buufnqu up nblf ijt ejtdvttjpo upqjd b tnjehf npsf dmfbs up vt, uif qptujoh qvcmjd pg uif tusbjhiu epqf nfttbhf cpbset, xifo jojujbujoh uif dsfbujpo pg uif uisfbe. Up opu ep tp dpvme qpttjcmz cf tffo bt fmjujt, offemfttmz fydmvtjwf, boe epxosjhiu svef. There’s no arguing with that. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/27 "2009-04-08T15:36:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Are we sure about that date? We’re through the looking-glass, so maybe it’s turned upside-down! Ooh. Trippy. Certainly an invertible birth year is a sign of the Antichrist or something. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/28 "2009-04-08T15:58:43Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > There’s no arguing with that. As long as we all want to raise Cthulhu from the depths, I agree too. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/29 "2009-04-08T16:00:56Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Now that y’all have had your fun, can we actually address the query posed in the original post? WONJCTs are evidence of human intelligence, because only an intelligent species can wholly invent narratives surrounding the events in their lives, particularly regarding such abstract concepts as global political conspiracies. Conspiracy theorists take lots of facts and then wildly extrapolate from them. Conspiracy theories are great places to find information you wouldn’t see otherwise, which you can then follow back and verify yourself. Most often it isn’t even the ‘facts’ they have wrong, but the conclusion they draw from it. And yes, the conspiracy theorist’s primary tactic is to tell you that you are dumb, deluded or ‘just don’t care enough’. If you did you’d agree with them that the Bilderberg/Trilateral/Illuminati/Society of Assassins/Templars/Freemasons/Catholic Church/US Government/Evangelical Christian/Priests of Moloch really are out to get you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/30 "2009-04-08T16:03:00Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > As long as we all want to raise Cthulhu from the depths, I agree too. Of course we all wan- Dude, has that always been you user name? I could have sworn you were **Tapioca Dexatrim**. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/31 "2009-04-08T16:04:13Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Richard Poplawski, the Binghamton shooter, was a big fan of _InfoWars_. I wonder if I am related to that guy, my Mother’s maiden name is Poplawski. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/32 "2009-04-08T16:12:14Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Now that y’all have had your fun, can we actually address the query posed in the original post? First of all, if you don’t want to see your thread hijacked, don’t use an inexplicable acronym in your OP. Second, what is the point of debunking this conspiracy theory? Has anyone here _ever_ succeeded in convincing a conspiracy theorist of the inaccuracy of their beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/33 "2009-04-08T16:14:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Even if Obama was born in Kenya and a few days later got rushed to Hawaii for a fake “certificate of live birth”… so what? It’s not like Kenya programs newborn sleeper agents. > > …or do they? I think you are posting in the wrong thread? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/34 "2009-04-08T16:19:18Z")
Here’s a summary from the Obama Deception site, if anyone’s curious. I’d heard the title but that was about it. All of these claims take the form of “Obama is _going to_” XYZ, so there’s no way to disprove those. You could talk about what he has proposed and how it differs from this insanity, **Monty** , but there’s no way it would work. The only factual rebuttal to be made is that this stuff is paranoid, drooling insanity. > [@](#): > > The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. > > We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order’s plans. It’s not about Left or Right: it’s about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation. > > Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you. > > Watch the Obama Deception and learn how: > > Obama is continuing the process of transforming America into something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law. > Obama’s handlers are openly announcing the creation of a new Bank of the World that will dominate every nation on earth through carbon taxes and military force. > International bankers purposefully engineered the worldwide financial meltdown to bankrupt the nations of the planet and bring in World Government. > Obama plans to loot the middle class, destroy pensions and federalize the states so that the population is completely dependent on the Central Government. > The Elite are using Obama to pacify the public so they can usher in the North American Union by stealth, launch a new Cold War and continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. > The information contained in this film is vital to the future of the Republic and to freedom worldwide. President Barack Obama is only the tool of a larger agenda. Until all are made aware, humanity will remain captive to the masters of the New World Order. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/35 "2009-04-08T16:29:12Z")
The truth is out there. Way, way, way out there. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/36 "2009-04-08T16:29:28Z")
I think Sean Hannity has seen this film a time or two. It’s the only explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/37 "2009-04-08T17:18:18Z")
> [@Jester](#): > > Jo nz pqjojpo, npouz tipvme ibwf nbef npsf pg bo buufnqu up nblf ijt ejtdvttjpo upqjd b tnjehf npsf dmfbs up vt, uif qptujoh qvcmjd pg uif tusbjhiu epqf nfttbhf cpbset, xifo jojujbujoh uif dsfbujpo pg uif uisfbe. Up opu ep tp dpvme qpttjcmz cf tffo bt fmjujt, offemfttmz fydmvtjwf, boe epxosjhiu svef. qarsdr krdyrt, upi str kidy nromh mrrfarddau pnyidr smf mpy jraqomh yjr doyisyopm. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/38 "2009-04-08T18:14:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. 1. He really works for the mica industry. He’s secretly a tool of Big Mica. 2. He told Michelle she looked good in that dress she wore on election night. He also pretended to be sick to get out of going to a dinner party. 3. He really wants to be an astronaut. Now America knows the TRUTH! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/39 "2009-04-08T18:16:52Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I think Sean Hannity has seen this film a time or two. It’s the only explanation. I think Glenn Beck rolls up 10-minute sections of this film, stuffs them into cigar wrappers, and smokes them. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359/40 "2009-04-08T23:31:36Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > 1. He really works for the mica industry. He’s secretly a tool of Big Mica. > 2. He told Michelle she looked good in that dress she wore on election night. He also pretended to be sick to get out of going to a dinner party. > 3. He really wants to be an astronaut. > > Now America knows the TRUTH! I think the frackin’ President of the United States could come up with a better lie than that to get out of a dinner party. “Oh, I would love to attend your dinner party, but…ah…an…uh…a matter of national security has come up and I must, must attend a meeting–an emergency meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Oh, nothing, nothing–just, you know, keeping on top of things, nothing to worry about. Bye now!” He’s on his own when it comes to Michelle’s dresses, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-the-wonjct/492359.md?page=3)