# What is it with you Dopers? NOW it's a LIFE? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358 "2004-12-17T16:22:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/61 "2004-12-19T02:00:33Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Personally, I believe that every body deserves a chance. But no. All of your cases are just argumentative. The fetus dying in those cases is an act of nature, not man. (And none of this man IS nature stuff, k?) Man intervenes in an abortion. > > And I’d like to point out the cruelty that the pro-choice camp is having on women that have miscarriages. Well this happened to a friend of mine’s friend. She had a miscarriage, and the doctor explaining what happened and what would have to happen next called it a clump of cells. It wasn’t a clump of cells to her!!! It was her dead baby! **How about some compassion!** > > Now I’m not saying that ALL doctors would tell a woman her dead fetus is just a bunch of cells. But the increasing belief that a fetus is just a bunch of cells didn’t help. I’m sure this is more common now than it was 50 years ago. Actually they are not argumentative. In our society we take oficial note of all deaths of humans. Are you suggesting that death by natural causes is insufficient reason to issue a death certificate, and perform a proper burial? If human life begins at conception how can you not treat every ending of such life equally? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/62 "2004-12-19T02:01:06Z")
**Prisoner**. You’re just playing a semantic game and you know it. A fetus is not a _person_. m’kay? That’s what YOU mean by “life” and that’s what I was countering. Your OP is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/63 "2004-12-19T02:01:15Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > Actually you said it’s a human \*\*life \*\*. You’re right. But I ALSO called it a human cell. Hey **trandallt** Did you read? 😃 > [@](#): > > I’d like to hear one of you on this scientifically based discussion group say that a cell that divides and contains human DNA isn’t a **human cell**. Now, hmmm. What else is there? It’s a human life. And I stand by what I said. It is a human life. But I’m willing to agree to disagree about whether or not it’s a person with the right to live. > [@](#): > > and how about answering my question? Cheese give me some time dang! You all are so impatient. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/64 "2004-12-19T02:02:18Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Personally, I believe that every body deserves a chance. But no. All of your cases are just argumentative. The fetus dying in those cases is an act of nature, not man. (And none of this man IS nature stuff, k?) Man intervenes in an abortion. > > And I’d like to point out the cruelty that the pro-choice camp is having on women that have miscarriages. Well this happened to a friend of mine’s friend. She had a miscarriage, and the doctor explaining what happened and what would have to happen next called it a clump of cells. It wasn’t a clump of cells to her!!! It was her dead baby! **How about some compassion!** > > Now I’m not saying that ALL doctors would tell a woman her dead fetus is just a bunch of cells. But the increasing belief that a fetus is just a bunch of cells didn’t help. I’m sure this is more common now than it was 50 years ago. It was a clump of fucking cells. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/65 "2004-12-19T02:03:14Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > **Prisoner**. > > You’re just playing a semantic game and you know it. A fetus is not a _person_. m’kay? That’s what YOU mean by “life” and that’s what I was countering. > > Your OP is stupid. Hey, if you can play semantic games, so can I! And didn’t I at least ADMIT that I was playing semantics? And how about admitting that you said A=B therefore C=/=D, huh? Ok. Ignoring you begins NOW. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/66 "2004-12-19T02:07:08Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Ok. Ignoring you begins NOW. Oh, and I’m not saying nor implying that Diogenes the Cynic is on my ignore list. He’s not. I’m just not going to pay attention to what he has to say in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/67 "2004-12-19T02:11:27Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Hey **trandallt** Did you read? 😃 > I’d like to hear one of you on this scientifically based discussion group say that a cell that divides and contains human DNA isn’t a human cell. Now, hmmm. What else is there? It’s a human life. Yes, I did read. For that matter, _you_ can be described as a gathering of cells. Is that sufficient to describe you? I think not. The higher order description of “human” must obtain. Similarly, if you describe something as a “cell” and also as a “life”, then “life” must be the operative definition. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/68 "2004-12-19T02:13:07Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Hey, if you can play semantic games, so can I! And didn’t I at least ADMIT that I was playing semantics? > > And how about admitting that you said A=B therefore C=/=D, huh? > > Ok. Ignoring you begins NOW. I didn’t say that A= whatever the fuck. Lick my balls. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/69 "2004-12-19T02:14:12Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Oh, and I’m not saying nor implying that Diogenes the Cynic is on my ignore list. He’s not. I’m just not going to pay attention to what he has to say in the future. That’s a very wise decision on your part since you can’t hope to hold your own in a debate with me. I understand your cowardice and accept your surrender with grace. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/70 "2004-12-19T02:25:28Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > That’s a very wise decision on your part since you can’t hope to hold your own in a debate with me. I understand your cowardice and accept your surrender with grace. Yeah, namecalling. What a great debating tactic. Who resorted to namecalling and who responded to the questions and attacks? I ask the SDMB community. Who attacked whom? And for the record, I am ignoring your existence because when you fail to see my points you attack me. Your first answer to any post of mine now is offensive. It’s one thing to respond and then berate me later on when I fail to admit defeat. But to START your argument by calling me names? That’s just bad form boy. Ok for real. That’s it. Diogenes is no longer in my life. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/71 "2004-12-19T02:26:59Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Yeah, namecalling. What a great debating tactic. Who resorted to namecalling and who responded to the questions and attacks? I ask the SDMB community. Who attacked whom? > > And for the record, I am ignoring your existence because when you fail to see my points you attack me. Your first answer to any post of mine now is offensive. It’s one thing to respond and then berate me later on when I fail to admit defeat. But to START your argument by calling me names? That’s just bad form boy. > > Ok for real. That’s it. Diogenes is no longer in my life. You didn’t have any points. You posted a stupid OP that made no sense. You got busted on it and now you want to run away and cry. Whatever. Coward. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/72 "2004-12-19T02:37:09Z")
Come on **prisoner** , are you igging me as well? If human life begins at conception, should we bury miscarriages? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/73 "2004-12-19T02:41:50Z")
Oh yeah, and **Diogenes**? I hope you’re always in my life. Well as much as you are right now, anyway. Is anyone else reminded of the New Yorker cartoon where the family is gathered around the old guy’s bed looking at their watches while he says "These are my last words. No wait! These are _really_ my last words… However, No! **These** are my final words… ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/74 "2004-12-19T03:10:24Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > Come on **prisoner** , are you igging me as well? If human life begins at conception, should we bury miscarriages? If not, why not? Are you willing to finally admit that you aren’t reading? [See post #60.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5626218&postcount=60) ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/75 "2004-12-19T03:13:05Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > Are you willing to finally admit that you aren’t reading? [See post #60.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5626218&postcount=60) Well I did read it but help me out. Point me towards the part that addresses my question. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/76 "2004-12-19T03:19:41Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > Well I did read it but help me out. Point me towards the part that addresses my question. > [@](#): > > Personally, I believe that every body deserves a chance. But no. All of your cases are just argumentative. **The fetus dying in those cases is an act of nature, not man. (And none of this man IS nature stuff, k?) Man intervenes in an abortion.** And if you will excuse me, I have an event to go to. You may continue this flamefest at your leisure. IANAT(roll) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/77 "2004-12-19T03:24:53Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > And if you will excuse me, I have an event to go to. You may continue this flamefest at your leisure. IANAT(roll) 😃 Run and hide if you like but I responded to that assertion in post 69. I will restate it for you here. Do you contend that deaths by natural causes should be treated differently from deaths by other means? Also, please provide evidence for your allegation of flaming. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/78 "2004-12-19T03:40:31Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > IANAT Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/79 "2004-12-19T04:22:20Z")
This may be the worst abortion OP I’ve ever witnessed on the Straight Dope. My head is reeling from all the logical fallacies and **prisoner’s** general inability to follow and address a coherent argument. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/80 "2004-12-19T07:34:03Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > This may be the worst abortion OP I’ve ever witnessed on the Straight Dope. My head is reeling from all the logical fallacies and **prisoner’s** general inability to follow and address a coherent argument. Can you be a bit more specific here? What ALL logical fallacies have I made? You guys love to do that, make accusations without backing them up, as if just TELLING the jury, “see? the guy’s guilty” makes him guilty. Present evidence please. Where are the logical fallacies? What coherent arguments were I inable to follow? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358.md?page=5)