# What is it with you Dopers? NOW it's a LIFE? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358 "2004-12-17T16:22:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/101 "2004-12-20T15:33:47Z")
[QUOTE=prisoner6655321] > [@](#): > > Then you’d better define equivocating. (You asked me to define my terms. Define yours.) I defined equivocating in post #85. > [@](#): > > Are you trying to tell me that a house isn’t a structure? No, but not all structures are houses, just as not all lives are human. The question on the table is whether a fetus is a human life; no one is disputing that it is alive. > [@](#): > > No. All something has to have to be human is human DNA, which a fetus does have. Re-read your remark to \*\*Diogenes \*\* concerning the human DNA of a fingernail. > [@](#): > > As far as the government is concerned, and this is what your question is about, an unborn baby is not “legally complete”. We issue C of O’s when the house is complete. We issue birth certificates when the baby is complete. How can you not understand the corellation between a house and a baby? This is just blathering here. You have demonstrated no corellation between a house and a baby other than that at some point a thing that is not a house becomes a house, and at some point a thing that is not a baby becomes a baby, which is pretty much what I have been arguing all along. > [@](#): > > If you paid attention to my implied warranty statements you would see that it depends on whether or not it can be used as a house.Would I or could I? It would have to have a roof, but I’ll just pretend you meant that as well. You CAN live in a house with only walls, roof, and foundation, so yes, it’s a house, but not legally since it doesn’t have a C of O. Legally you can’t live in a house that doesn’t have a C of O. I specifically did **not** include a roof. That was my point-that even though an unfinished house is a structure, without a roof it is not a house. This is where equivocating gets you. You end up contradicting yourself without even realizing it. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/102 "2004-12-20T17:19:47Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > This puts a whole new meaning on Spidey’s actual name, you realize! Because no-one else has… Peter Parker = Very Funny. Good one Poly. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/103 "2004-12-20T17:37:26Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > No, It’s not. Stay on topic, which is not over when a baby becomes a baby. (except for the hijack). It’s whether or not you guys flip flop on this issue. > > You either think that you should be willing to accept the possibility that a baby will result in having sex, or you don’t. Black or white. There is no grey there. You either accept your responsibility for your actions, or you don’t. You can’t flip flop. Everyone accepts the possibility that pregnancy may result from sex. Everyone accepts that a baby may result from pregnancy. Some people think that it’s acceptable to terminate a pregnancy in the early stages. Irritating message board shitstains like yourself think they can accomplish something by playing semantic games to try to trap pro-choice people into admitting that abortion is murdering babies. It never has and never will accomplish anything, although you will make a lot of people realize you’re a dipshipt moron. > [@](#): > > Actually, you all just refuse to admit that you argue one point to serve your ends, then argue the opposite when THAT serves your ends. And what, exactly, are “our ends”? What nefarious purpose do pro-choice people hope to achieve by saying “if you do allow your pregnancy to result in a baby, both parents should help support it”? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/104 "2004-12-20T17:40:39Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > I’ll say again. STAY ON TOPIC! You need to make up your mind. My arguments (which, granted, are not exactly in line with the OP) you address and argue down to the last detail. **Jenaroph** and **kayla’sdad** both stayed on topic. One you ignored, the other …wait, what was your detailed and on topic response? Oh, yeah… > [@prisoner6655321](#): > > and… a…blah. blah. blahbiddyblahblah. doesn’t have anything to do with the OP nor the hijack by trandallt. Jenaroph explained _in graphic detail_ just why pro-choice advocates feel the OP of that other thread should take responsibility for his own actions, and how they are not inconsistent with a pro choice stance. So far, you’ve done the equivalent of putting your hand over your ears, closing your eyes and shouting “I’M NOT LISTENING!” If you don’t want to hear the answer, why ask the question? Oh, and don’t threaten me again. If you want to have the mod close it, have the mod close it. You’re not a Sunday school teacher, and we are not your class. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/105 "2004-12-20T22:16:25Z")
Let me take a crack at this idiot: If you have a baby, it is your moral responsibility to care for it. A fetus is not a baby. If a woman gets pregnant, she can abort it, because it is not yet a baby, and therefore she has no responsibility to care for it. If a guy is going to have sex with a woman, he has to accept the possibility that she might get prgenant, and she might choose not to have an abortion. This is something every guy must take into account before he fucks a woman. If he doesn’t want to take the risk that he may, eventually, become responsible for a _baby_ (as opposed to a fetus) then he shouldn’t have sex. Okay, do you get it now? There is no flip-flop here, you fatuous moron. The pro-choice position is, in fact, completely consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/106 "2004-12-20T22:50:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Okay, do you get it now? There is no flip-flop here, you fatuous moron. The pro-choice position is, in fact, completely consistent. I’ll give you ten to one odds he comes back with nothing but a link to a post by **Diogenes** in which something was inexactly worded. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/107 "2004-12-21T00:57:01Z")
> [@trandallt](#): > > Re-read your remark to \*\*Diogenes \*\* concerning the human DNA of a fingernail. You mean where I said, “Human DtC, is an adjective, as well as a noun”? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/108 "2004-12-21T01:47:43Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > You mean where I said, “Human DtC, is an adjective, as well as a noun”? Which was exactly my point. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/109 "2004-12-21T01:54:11Z")
Hey, **Giraffe** , how about throwing a few lottery numbers my way? You seem to be psychic, and I could really use the money. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/110 "2004-12-21T05:47:52Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Hey, **Giraffe** , how about throwing a few lottery numbers my way? You seem to be psychic, and I could really use the money. Sorry, friend. My gifts are limited to fortelling the impending drolery of halfwits. More of a curse, really. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/111 "2004-12-21T06:26:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Hey, **Giraffe** , how about throwing a few lottery numbers my way? You seem to be psychic, and I could really use the money. I’m sorry, but are you saying that “You mean where I said, “Human DtC, is an adjective, as well as a noun”?” is > [@Giraffe.](#): > > nothing but a link to a post by Diogenes in which something was inexactly worded. It’s not a link. It’s not by DtC. And it isn’t something that was inexactly worded. > [@Giraffe.](#): > > Sorry, friend. My gifts are limited to fortelling the impending drolery of halfwits. More of a curse, really. Thanks for the compliment **Giraffe**. You just told Miller that I’m not a halfwit. If I was a halfwit, you wouldn’t have said I would post a link to a post by Diogenes in which something was inexactly worded. At least I know someone is on my side. I appreciate the company. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/112 "2004-12-21T17:59:24Z")
For the record…of course it’s life. “A” life? Semantics. A **person**? No. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358/113 "2004-12-21T18:09:04Z")
> [@prisoner6655321](#): > > You just told Miller that I’m not a halfwit. If I was a halfwit, you wouldn’t have said I would post a link to a post by Diogenes in which something was inexactly worded. Wow, you’ve really put me in my place, haven’t you? I can’t believe I implied that you were a nitpicking halfwit incapable of reading and responding to the actual ideas contained in other people’s posts. Boy, is my face red. :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-it-with-you-dopers-now-its-a-life/280358.md?page=5)