# What is left in the still classified JFK assassination files? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493 "2021-10-29T23:32:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/341 "2023-06-24T12:17:18Z")
We haven’t ruled out that Jackie was carrying because she was in terror of receiving a Gorilla Gram. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Varn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michael_varn/32/14411_2.png) [@Michael\_Varn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Varn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/342 "2023-06-24T12:17:57Z")
The idea I have about Jackie’s handbag being empty is because at first, Jackie may have thought that she simply did not need it. But, her fashion advisors told her that the wardrobe she selected on this day would not be complete without a handbag, and was simply handed an empty handbag at the last minute. Jackie Kennedy had to have spent alot of time reading fashion magazines, and all of the critiques from the “fashioneestas” that most certainly would “call her out” for even the most minor wardrobe mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Varn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michael_varn/32/14411_2.png) [@Michael\_Varn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Varn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/343 "2023-06-24T13:21:44Z")
So in closeing, even on the conspiracy side of the JFK case, let alone the Warren report, there has never been so much as a whisper, rumor, speculation, or witness testimony at the autopsy that there was any damage to the LEFT side of JFK’s head, which had to have existed if Jackie actually shot her husband. The conspiracy side of this contends that the autopsy, and the autopsy photographs were altered or tampered with. But this only includes the damage to the RIGHT side of JFK’s head, a possible wound to the BACK of the head, as well as the entry and exit bullet wounds found on the FRONT and BACK of JFK’s neck and back. There is no evidence that a bullet entered or exited on either side of JFK’s neck. That is why the “Jackie shot him” theory is simply and 100% wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/344 "2023-06-24T14:03:58Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > There is no evidence that a bullet entered or exited on either side of JFK’s neck. > > That is why the “Jackie shot him” theory is simply and 100% wrong. Yeah, I could have told you that just by watching the film of the murder. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/345 "2023-06-24T15:10:14Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > Jackie heard the first shot, and as soon as she realized the second shot hit JFK, she simply pulled the pistol out of the handbag not to shoot JFK, but what proved to be a futile attempt to protect him. > > If this is what really happened, this has to be in a JFK file that will never be released. What the Zapruder film clearly shows is that her immediate reaction was to grab her husband’s left wrist with both her hands and to lean towards him to see what was wrong. It is obvious that she had nothing in either hand. She carried what was presumably the same handbag when she returned to Washington later that same day. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Varn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michael_varn/32/14411_2.png) [@Michael\_Varn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Varn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/346 "2023-06-24T16:44:00Z")
No, I am talking about frame 383 that came after what you are describing, but you may have just answered a question that has been baffleing JFK researchers for 60 years! You mentioned JFK’s wrist. In the melee, she may have taken off JFK’s wrist watch!!! That would certainly fit the profile of a silver metalic object!!! Good job! ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/347 "2023-06-24T16:56:35Z")
Just FYI, it’s pronounced “fashineestas,” but it’s spelled “fashionistas.” And why the heck would any woman carry an empty handbag to complete a look? Unless it’s actually an ad for handbags, most fashion shots do _not_ include handbags. Secondly, what do you carry in your pockets? It would be similar items to what would be in a woman’s purse. Women carry purses so they have a way to carry their wallet, id, tissues/handkerchief, lipstick, compact, etc. with them. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/348 "2023-06-24T17:36:17Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Can you provide a cite for this claim that many of JFK’s advisors didn’t want him to go to Texas because it was too risky? This is the one thing that is [verified history](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination). > **October 24, 1963:** > > United States ambassador to the United Nations [Adlai Stevenson II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson_II) delivers a contentious speech on [United Nations Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Day) at the [Dallas Memorial Auditorium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Bailey_Hutchison_Convention_Center), where he is booed and heckled. After the speech, he is struck on the head with a picket sign and spit upon.[[47]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination#cite_note-47) Dallas police would later fear that similar demonstrations might occur when Kennedy visited Dallas.[[48]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination#cite_note-DeathNews-48) Several people, including Stevenson, warned Kennedy against coming to Dallas, but Kennedy ignored their advice.[[20]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination#cite_note-VisitPlanned-20) The only other question of interest is whether the flash of light was reflecting off a [vortex manipulator](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Vortex_manipulator). That would have allowed her to move to any location, fire the shots, stash the evidence securely in the future, and return to her exact spot in the car without anybody noticing. Has anyone looked into that? ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/349 "2023-06-24T17:49:02Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Has anyone looked into that? Oh my god, you’re right! This changes everything! I’m going to have to come up with a new edition of my (self-published) Kennedy assassination book that I’ve been hawking at $20 a copy at conspiracy conventions, and everyone who’s already bought it will _have_ to buy a new copy! I mean, I have to get the truth out somehow… ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/350 "2023-06-24T19:41:16Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > But if Jackie was carrying a pistol for protection, the reason why this is relevant to any conversation about the JFK case is self explanatory. While the whole idea is a bit daft, I gave it some thought. Jackie with a heater. Hm. You know what? It would be more likely to my way of thinking that she would acquire a pistol _after_ the assassination. Not before. At that point in time, if she wanted to carry, perhaps nobody would have had the guts to say “No”. After all, “We’ll protect you” wasn’t particularly persuasive. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/351 "2023-06-24T20:04:08Z")
Let’s not dismiss this so easily. If she had a gun in her purse, did anyone check her hat? She could have had a couple of grenades under there. What about her shoes? They don’t call them stilettos for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/352 "2023-06-24T20:58:13Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > Well, I think it would be standard police protocol to check everything in a car that someone has just been murdered in. I would like a cite that it would be standard police protocol to check “everything” inside a car (including the trunk, under the hood, glove compartment and especially a spouse’s purse) in which a passenger has been murdered by a shot that clearly came from _outside_ the car. Should we also look for the classified file of the contents of Nellie Connally’s purse? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/353 "2023-06-24T22:35:42Z")
You mean Jackie heard a gunshot and managed to pull out a weapon and fire it in a couple of seconds? Was she a Navy SEAL? The whole thing is crazy. My theory is better: Jackie was bored and was just cleaning her gun and it accidentally went off. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/354 "2023-06-28T21:47:22Z")
_golfclap_ ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/355 "2023-06-28T21:54:17Z")
Queen Elizabeth had a “purse code”. Jackie may have done the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/356 "2023-06-28T22:03:00Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > That is why the “Jackie shot him” theory is simply and 100% wrong. I’ll give you credit for coming up with a preposterous theory never before raised by anyone (hard to do for the JFK incident) _ **and** _ you disproved it within a very short time. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/357 "2023-06-28T23:27:15Z")
Not to mention the unlikely idea of Jackie having a personal gun that was never mentioned anywhere, and that was okayed by both her husband and the Secret Service, much less to carry it around. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/358 "2023-06-28T23:36:57Z")
You have to remember that everything about Kennedy’s is a world-class secret that was hidden from everybody on earth except for people posting on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/359 "2023-06-28T23:40:33Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > You have to remember that everything about Kennedy’s is a world-class secret that was hidden from everybody on earth except for people posting on the internet. Truly the cleverest suicide _ever._ ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493/360 "2023-06-29T00:56:53Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > a preposterous theory never before raised by anyone [Ahem.](https://www.amazon.com/Jacqueline-Accused-Reinterpretation-Events-November/dp/0982448708?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=e9985221-6d47-4724-8795-210d7f5e583c) I actually have a copy of this book, but I have not read it, because the idea is too stupid to spend time on even for laughs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-left-in-the-still-classified-jfk-assassination-files/953493.md?page=19)