# What is the appeal of "chicks with dicks"? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 30, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155 "2007-03-30T20:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/61 "2007-03-31T17:37:49Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Both the novelty factor and the fact that it’s an “escort service.” There are only a few such agencies, because it’s so easy to just go to a bar and find someone for much less. [/QUOTE] Is there a lot of AIDS in Thailand? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/62 "2007-03-31T17:42:01Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Oh, and I almost forgot: There’s a transvestite elephant-polo team here called the Screwless Tuskers. 😃 [/QUOTE] **Elephant** polo?! You’d need a really big field and a really long mallet! ---
**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/63 "2007-03-31T18:19:31Z")
Heterosexual dude chiming in. I’ve no attractions to chicks with dicks, but I do enjoy porn with chicks banging other chicks using strapons. Why? Why the hell not? Instead of seeing one chick getting rocked I’m watching two, and there’s no guys involved. Plus, there’s four boobs instead of two. So while a chick with a bonafide dick would freak me out too much for me to become aroused, my logic stands just as well under those circumstances as the ones I prefer watching. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/64 "2007-04-01T04:04:52Z")
It’s hard to sit here and read the amount of objectification of people going on in this thread. Viewing people only as body parts becomes dehumanizing. I’m not taking any of this personally, because I don’t identify as “shemale,” I just identify as a woman. If “shemale” means as **DrDeth** said an emphasis on maleness, that does not describe me. It isn’t true of most transwomen I’ve ever heard of, because maleness is what we want to be liberated from, like Rabbi Ayelet Cohen says in a remarkable [Passover sermon](http://www.jewishmosaic.org/torah/show_torah/12), just as Hebrews were born into slavery in Egypt but knew they belonged elsewhere, transsexual people were born into bodies and social roles that oppress them. I thought the Passover analogy was especially apt. I appreciate **matt\_mcl** ’s contribution reminding us that gender variant people are just people after all, not objects, capable of the same sort of love and relationships as anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/65 "2007-04-01T05:36:55Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] It’s hard to sit here and read the amount of objectification of people going on in this thread. Viewing people only as body parts becomes dehumanizing. [/quote] :rolleyes: The OP is _about_ “why do some people find other people with a particular set of body parts attractive ?” You might as well go into a thread about liver transplants and complain about how no one cares about anything but livers. [QUOTE=Johanna] I appreciate **matt\_mcl** ’s contribution reminding us that gender variant people are just people after all, not objects, capable of the same sort of love and relationships as anyone. [/QUOTE] And who thought otherwise ? This thread is about sexual attraction, not love or relationships, which are a different subject. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/66 "2007-04-01T06:25:20Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] As distinct from the Thai term for transsexual, which is _phuying praphet song_, literally ‘woman type two’. Good for the Thais, at least there’s one nation who recognizes a difference. Question for Siam Sam-- do _kathoey_s say _khrap_ or _khâ_? [/QUOTE] Kathoeys say “kha”. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/67 "2007-04-01T06:43:49Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] **Elephant** polo?! You’d need a really big field and a really long mallet! [/QUOTE] Yes, the mallets are long, and it’s played on a normal football (soccer) pitch. As mentioned elsewhere, I’m a veteran elephant-polo player myself, and details of last year’s tournament, including the history and rules of the sport, are [here](http://www.tatnews.org/events/events/2006/sep/2897.asp#his) . Last year’s tournament was held in the North for the first time, in the town of Chiang Saen, in Chiang Rai Province and on the Mekong River across from Laos. (The town is on the river, but the elephant-polo venue was on the other side of town away from the river.) Before last year, it was always held in Hua Hin, on the Gulf of Thailand side of the Malay Peninsula. The Anantara Resort, the main sponsor, decided the tournament needed to move around the country a bit. That was actually good, as the Anantara has its own elephant camp near Chiang Saen, but it poured down rain on some days, whereas that time of year is relatively dry in Hua Hin. Actually, the Screwless Tuskers haven’t played for a few years now. They were somewhat controversial in that they wanted to be regarded as a ladies’ team, even though they still had the upper-body strength of a man. However, these past couple of years, there have been no ladies or men’s teams, but rather mixed, so I guess it wouldn’t matter now. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/68 "2007-04-01T07:02:59Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Is there a lot of AIDS in Thailand? [/QUOTE] Of course, but lower rates than in Cambodia or India. In fact, in the local sex industry, HIV rates among prostitutes who cater to Westerners are much lower than among those who cater to local men. The ones catering to Westerners are more their own free agents and have more control over condom use. And the government launched a highly successful campaign promoting condom use some years back. Among the guys I know who visit these girls, they say the girl always insists on a condom if he doesn’t bring it up first himself. It’s the girls catering to construction workers, other types of manual laborers and low-paid workers in general who are the stereotypical sex slaves, charging a pittance (a Thai construction worker makes only a few dollars a day, and he’s considered highly paid by the other laborers) and having no say in much of anything. As for kathoey prostitutes, I’ve no idea of the HIV rates. As mentioned elsewhere, my Thai wife works in the fields of Population Studies and Biostatistics. Her work on this subject has been published in both English- and Thai-language professional journals. She’s interviewed a lot of these girls herself but has not delved into the world of the kathoey prostitutes. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/69 "2007-04-01T12:44:17Z")
We’re taught (not in school, but by publicity) that the interesting bits of a woman are tits, legs and ass. We’re taught by the same that the interesting bit of a guy is the dick. Porn shemales have it all… and the objectification is as bad (no better, no worse) than in other kinds of porn. And for non-porn, what **matt\_mcl** said. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/70 "2007-04-01T16:17:43Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] Kathoeys say “kha”. 😛 [/QUOTE] Gesundheit. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/71 "2007-04-01T16:43:34Z")
Most of the individuals interested in “chicks with dicks” are heterosexual males. Every porn store I’ve been to (and I’ve gone to a lot) and minor studies conducted by in store employees shows that those videos can be found next to or in the het male section and that they are mostly rented by guys who rent straight or lesbian porn as well. So why the interest? Several factors. 1. Vaginas are scary and confusing for some guys. A heterosexual man has a penis and he knows how to get his penis off. This chick has a penis too so he thinks he can get her off easier than he could a chick with a vagina. 2. Male sexual desire is thought to be higher than female sexual desire and many men view their penes as the source of their desire. They view a chick with a dick as a female with high sexual desire. 3. One straight guy I know told me he thought chicks with dicks were easier to get in bed and tended to be more open to kinky things. A transsexual I know who slept with him admitted that she did a lot of things that a “genetic girl” wouldn’t do. 4. Some straight men are obsessed with penes. They find penes sexually attracted but find the male body disgusting. I had many conversations with one guy who said his ideal person was a functional, female looking hermaphrodite. Because that was not possible, he was attracted to pre-op mtf transsexuals. In addition to “chicks with dicks,” there is a category called “traps” which are insanely popular in certain sections of the internet, particularly among the 16-22 year old crowd. What I find interesting is that a lot of very heterosexual males will admit to being very interested in these “traps” which are boys that look like girls. The traps have flat chests and normally look like 12-18 year old females unlike most chicks with dicks who tend to look like fully developed women. These people are disgusted by gay porn and throw terms like “fag” around like candy, especially if a person admits that they are gay. Although some of them say terms like “I’d go gay for [popular trap name]” any time spent with them will show you that they don’t consider it gay at all. Stories about traps and pictures of them are posted in message boards, on forums, and posting websites in sections where pictures of females are usually posted and posting a traditionally gay porn picture would get you ridiculed and perhaps banned. I find this behavior fascinating and as a student who focuses on this stuff, I’ve had many conversations with these individuals. So far I’ve only come across one that views their attraction to “chicks with dicks” or “traps” as homosexual. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/72 "2007-04-01T16:53:05Z")
Remember that a pre-operative transsexual female to male who is on hormones will have a skin texture and body odor which is more like a natal woman’s than it is like a man’s. Scent does play a big role in sex. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/73 "2007-04-01T17:23:40Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] I’m not taking any of this personally, because I don’t identify as “shemale,” I just identify as a woman. If “shemale” means as **DrDeth** said an emphasis on maleness, that does not describe me. It isn’t true of most transwomen I’ve ever heard of, because maleness is what we want to be liberated from, like Rabbi Ayelet Cohen says in a remarkable . [/QUOTE] Not Shemales- Shemale **PORN.** Like I said, I had some flings with TV/TS’s back in the day, and they were lovely people. But what little I have seen of TS \*Porn \*emphasises the Penis. But regular porn empasises dudes with huge dicks, instead of more normal sized dicks, so Porn is not reality. Porn is _all about_ unrealistic objectivication. So understand that many of us are talking about the unrealistic and objectified Porn representation of “transwomen” _not_ the reality. The OP seemed to be about “chicks with dicks” porn _“Apparently some are – “chicks with dicks” is a distinct porn subgenre.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/74 "2007-04-01T19:53:04Z")
What **kimera** described as “traps” looks like a modern revival of an ancient kink. Boys who look like girls? This was practically the national pastime of Persia and Afghanistan for many centuries: _baccheh bâzi_ ‘playing with boys’ or _nazar ila al-murd_ ‘gazing at the unbearded’. See _Scandal: Essays in Islamic Heresy_ by Peter Lamborn Wilson (who is sort of the Dan Savage of medieval fringe Islam), chapter 4: “The Witness Game: Imaginal Yoga and Sacred Pedophilia in Persian Sufism.” A lot of the jokes told in the regions influenced by Persian culture (as far west as Kosovo, in my experience) are about _baccheh bâzi_. I used to work with one Iranian for whom it was practically an _idée fixe_. Some Persian Sufis turned this dalliance with pretty boys into a spiritual discipline in which they didn’t have sex but just looked at their pretty faces and meditated on the theme of Divine Beauty. Well, I suppose some of them must have gone ahead and had sex anyway. In the area that Richard Francis Burton called the “Sotadic Zone” (including Persia, Afghanistan, and northern Hindustan) women in purdah were traditionally secluded from men, and hot male-on-male displays of affection were and are considered normal. As for what women do with one another locked up in those zenanas, that’s a topic for another thread… Why is this called “traps”? To me, traps means a full drumkit with everything attached: Hi-hat, ride cymbals, wood block, cowbell, etc. Frankly, sex is one of the last things on my mind since I came out as transsexual. This has been the least-sexy thing that ever happened to me. Paradoxically, my appearance became sexier than ever as my desire for sex vanished. This stuff is no picnic. It brings about radical changes to a person in sometimes unexpected ways, it necessitates a lot of sacrifices too. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/75 "2007-04-02T03:10:18Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] 😕 I know nothing about transsexuals/hermaphrodites in hentai, and I’ve only ever read [one novel](http://www.amazon.com/Raptor-Gary-Jennings/dp/0553562827/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1742453-3035933?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175307917&sr=8-1) with a hermaphrodite protagonist. Are there others? [/QUOTE] The novel _Middlesex_ by Jeffrey Eugenides was a best-seller the other year. (Incidentally, they usually prefer that the term “intersex” be used when discussing human beings.) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/76 "2007-04-02T03:42:03Z")
[QUOTE=matt\_mcl] The novel _Middlesex_ by Jeffrey Eugenides was a best-seller the other year. (Incidentally, they usually prefer that the term “intersex” be used when discussing human beings.) [/QUOTE] “Intersex” and “hermaphrodite” aren’t the same thing, however. And the “they” you refer to aren’t likely to be hermaphrodites, since there’s only been a very, very few actual human hermaphrodites in history. The only one I’ve heard of was the result of a pair of twins that merged before birth, without one dominating; the result being a person with both sets of sex organs, dual colored hair and eyes of two colors. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/77 "2007-04-02T03:55:48Z")
[QUOTE=matt\_mcl] The novel _Middlesex_ by Jeffrey Eugenides was a best-seller the other year. (Incidentally, they usually prefer that the term “intersex” be used when discussing human beings.) [/QUOTE] I’ve never heard that term over here, but then I can’t say I pay that close attention to the issue. “The Third Sex” is frequently heard and in a non-pejorative way. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/78 "2007-04-02T04:04:52Z")
[QUOTE=Johanna] As distinct from the Thai term for transsexual, which is _phuying praphet song_, literally ‘woman type two’. Good for the Thais, at least there’s one nation who recognizes a difference. Question for Siam Sam-- do _kathoey_s say _khrap_ or _khâ_? [/QUOTE] I was just curious, Johanna, about whether you had the operation here in Thailand. This is a big center for sex-change operations, or “gender reassignment surgery,” and you seem to know a bit about the country. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/79 "2007-04-02T04:29:24Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] “Intersex” and “hermaphrodite” aren’t the same thing, however. And the “they” you refer to aren’t likely to be hermaphrodites, since there’s only been a very, very few actual human hermaphrodites in history. [/QUOTE] I believe that’s one of the reasons that intersex people prefer not to be called hermaphrodites. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155/80 "2007-04-02T04:42:50Z")
[QUOTE=matt\_mcl] I believe that’s one of the reasons that intersex people prefer not to be called hermaphrodites. [/QUOTE] Ah; I thought you were saying that intersexed people wanted fictional hermaphrodites to be called intersexed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-appeal-of-chicks-with-dicks/398155.md?page=5)