# What is the best dedicated forum for discussion of "Apollo moon landing hoax"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 26, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279 "2016-01-26T17:57:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/61 "2016-01-28T20:06:56Z")
I’m a day off for each of my allusions as for my rhetoric (which was incidental as it happens), and regret my mistake. A triple concidence OP, Apollo I, and Challenger. Of all the days to pop up with this nonsense. Rather than entertaining NASA baiters or being entertained by them, it’s an appropriate time for telling hoaxers or sympathetizers to simply fuck off. Come back with that some other time, why won’t you… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/62 "2016-01-28T20:54:23Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Seeing how only Apollo 11 had to meet Kennedy’s “deadline” of making it to the Moon before the end of the decade, is it mere coincidence that “those” tapes are lost and the ones they had more time to create before the “launch” were better quality? Especially how THEY could have fixed the problems that came up filming the first “landing”? > > And then NASA “finds” the footage for the Apollo 18 mission but yet the “public” never sees it until certain truth-seekers make it available. > > Just asking questions here. So you’re proposing that NASA was unable to meet Kennedy’s deadline and get someone on the moon by 1969, and so faked footage from the surface of the moon to save face/stick it to the commies/raise morale, etc. Then, they successfully sent people to the moon, took footage, and the real footage matched the staged footage. Despite the fact that we didn’t know what the moon would really look like before we got there. I find that much harder to believe than the simple idea that all of it was real. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/63 "2016-01-28T21:02:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I find that much harder to believe than the simple idea that all of it was real. I’d closely examine Saint Cad’s Apollo 18 claims if I were you. There’s loads of filmed evidence that he’s correct. Some of it even got a fairly widespread cinema release, iirc. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/64 "2016-01-28T21:37:49Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > I’d closely examine Saint Cad’s Apollo 18 claims if I were you. There’s loads of filmed evidence that he’s correct. Some of it even got a fairly widespread cinema release, iirc. I forgot about that footage, they found it under the Blair Witch tapes right? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/65 "2016-01-28T21:58:05Z")
Ehh, everyone knows the moon is really an egg of a giant space dragon. Any night now it’ll hatch and fly away. ---
**Author:** ![Francis\_Vaughan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/francis_vaughan/32/3093_2.png) [@Francis\_Vaughan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francis_Vaughan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/66 "2016-01-28T22:24:22Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Seeing how only Apollo 11 had to meet Kennedy’s “deadline” of making it to the Moon before the end of the decade, is it mere coincidence that “those” tapes are lost and the ones they had more time to create before the “launch” were better quality? Especially how THEY could have fixed the problems that came up filming the first “landing”? > > And then NASA “finds” the footage for the Apollo 18 mission but yet the “public” never sees it until certain truth-seekers make it available. You really are stretching. Once the conspiracy theory starts to become ever more complex to cover the emerging reality you are matching the signature of pseudo-science. Also, the theory so far doesn’t even come close to understanding the reasons for the change in quality, or why there were tapes in existence at all. > [@](#): > > Just asking questions here. Not really. Like I said before - this phrase has taken on a meaning that is quite at variance with the literal meaning when it comes to CTers. We are not allowed to suggest the alternative. ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/67 "2016-01-28T23:35:04Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > And then NASA “finds” the footage for the Apollo 18 mission but yet the “public” never sees it until certain truth-seekers make it available. > > Just asking questions here. This is obviously satire, since not even the CT believers think that Apollo 18 actually flew. Nearly got me going there… ---
**Author:** ![Anarcho\_Liberalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Anarcho\_Liberalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anarcho_Liberalist)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/68 "2016-01-28T23:35:22Z")
Could someone please enlighten me on Saint Cads reputation on this MB? I seriously wanna know if he’s a known conspiracy crackpot or just the house joker … > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Seeing how only Apollo 11 had to meet Kennedy’s “deadline” of making it to the Moon before the end of the decade, is it mere coincidence that “those” tapes are lost and the ones they had more time to create before the “launch” were better quality? Especially how THEY could have fixed the problems that came up filming the first “landing”? > > And then NASA “finds” the footage for the Apollo 18 mission but yet the “public” never sees it until certain truth-seekers make it available. > > Just asking questions here. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > …I mean isn’t interesting that the original tapes were erased “accidentally”? Hey, I’m just asking questions. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Just asking questions here. > THEY claim there were astronauts in the module because they tracked the radio “broadcasts”. However it would be easy to send the broadcast from Earth using a high gain antenna that no one could track (the radio waves are pointed away from Earth) to have Apollo rebroadcast them towards the Earth. NASA has never proven they _didn’t_ do that. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/69 "2016-01-29T02:04:59Z")
From ISS and NASA Houston short clip today. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Ybv-UfXKzyA/maxresdefault.jpg "NASA Remembers") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybv-UfXKzyA) ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/70 "2016-01-29T10:35:50Z")
> [@Leo\_Bloom](#): > > From ISS and NASA Houston short clip today. > [https://youtu.be/Ybv-UfXKzyA](https://youtu.be/Ybv-UfXKzyA) Of course, there are those who claim the ISS is a hoax… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/71 "2016-01-29T14:25:58Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Seeing how only Apollo 11 had to meet Kennedy’s “deadline” of making it to the Moon before the end of the decade, is it mere coincidence that “those” tapes are lost and the ones they had more time to create before the “launch” were better quality? Especially how THEY could have fixed the problems that came up filming the first “landing”? > > And then NASA “finds” the footage for the Apollo 18 mission but yet the “public” never sees it until certain truth-seekers make it available. > > Just asking questions here. The obvious truth: The Doctor destroyed “those” tapes so the only record of the first moon landing would be the one broadcast–which he (ahem) doctored with that special message. So that every time humanity watches it throughout future history–we will be warned about “The Silence.” It’s very simple, really… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/72 "2016-01-30T17:06:00Z")
Ok now that I’ve warmed you up so you will now question THEM I have the ultimate proof - one that THEY forgot to “doctor”. Take a look at the photo for #3 [on this page](http://www.enkivillage.com/moon-landing-hoax.html). It’s the one with the “astronaut” coming out alleged lander. Look at the shadows. No I’m not talking about shadows being at different “angles” - those people are stupid. Look at the shadows the “lander” makes. The sun would be at the 2:00 to 3:00 “position”. This corresponds to NASA’s claim that they landed in the early lunar “morning”. Now look at the Earth. For that illumination the Sun would have to be at “about” the 12:30 position. Why the “discrepancy” and why has NASA never addressed this? Asking questions. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/73 "2016-01-30T17:23:11Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Ok now that I’ve warmed you up so you will now question THEM I have the ultimate proof - one that THEY forgot to “doctor”. > > Take a look at the photo for #3 [on this page](http://www.enkivillage.com/moon-landing-hoax.html). It’s the one with the “astronaut” coming out alleged lander. Look at the shadows. No I’m not talking about shadows being at different “angles” - those people are stupid. Look at the shadows the “lander” makes. The sun would be at the 2:00 to 3:00 “position”. This corresponds to NASA’s claim that they landed in the early lunar “morning”. Now look at the Earth. For that illumination the Sun would have to be at “about” the 12:30 position. > > Why the “discrepancy” and why has NASA never addressed this? Asking questions. Ok, now you’ve got me believing you’re serious… ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/74 "2016-01-30T18:04:02Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Why the “discrepancy” and why has NASA never addressed this? Asking questions. Similar to the lander question you raise in your post, how to account for the lack of a crater in the second picture, here: > **[NASA Fakes Moon Landing! Photographic Proof!](http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/nasa-fakes-moon-landing.html)** :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/75 "2016-01-30T19:15:03Z")
> [@kferr](#): > > According to a recent study, the moon landing hoax (if real) would have been revealed in 3.7 years. BBC story on the study [here.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35411684) Interesting link! Thanks for pointing it out. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/76 "2016-01-30T20:30:20Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Similar to the lander question you raise in your post, how to account for the lack of a crater in the second picture, here: > > [NASA Fakes Moon Landing! Photographic Proof!](http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/nasa-fakes-moon-landing.html) > > :dubious: Well, that picture (the one **Saint Cad** linked to) does appear to be a photoshop job. Here’s [the actual photo](http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/moonmars/apollo40/apollo11_aldrin.html). Those photos were taken on Hasselblad 550ELs on 6cmx6xm film, with a 53mmx53mm images area. Square format. The Resseau plate used on this camera to measure angular distances was a matrix of 5 x 5 crosses, with the largest one being the center one. The photo Cad linked to retains that big center registration cross, on the right of the frame, so, to me, it looks like someone took the original and added information to the left of the frame, where the earth is. ---
**Author:** ![Francis\_Vaughan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/francis_vaughan/32/3093_2.png) [@Francis\_Vaughan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francis_Vaughan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/77 "2016-01-31T00:10:07Z")
The faker conspiracists faking pictures 🙂 Who would have thunk it. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/78 "2016-02-01T18:34:20Z")
I thought it was a nice touch to put “key” words in quotes. So just asking questions - did I pass the CT “Turing” test? ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/79 "2016-02-02T18:23:32Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Well, that picture (the one **Saint Cad** linked to) does appear to be a photoshop job. Here’s [the actual photo](http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/moonmars/apollo40/apollo11_aldrin.html). > > Those photos were taken on Hasselblad 550ELs on 6cmx6xm film, with a 53mmx53mm images area. Square format. The Resseau plate used on this camera to measure angular distances was a matrix of 5 x 5 crosses, with the largest one being the center one. The photo Cad linked to retains that big center registration cross, on the right of the frame, so, to me, it looks like someone took the original and added information to the left of the frame, where the earth is. Yes, it’s clearly edited. You can see the landscape repeating at the left where it has been pasted in. Mirror imaged area in green. Repeated elements in red. There are several others too. [![](https://i.imgur.com/3u5gaOO.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/3u5gaOO.png) ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279/80 "2016-02-02T18:56:31Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > Yes, it’s clearly edited. You can see the landscape repeating at the left where it has been pasted in. > > Mirror imaged area in green. Repeated elements in red. There are several others too. > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/3u5gaOO.png) Nice. I didn’t even bother looking into it that closely, as I dismissed it as a fake given the information I gave above, but that’s even better for anyone who isn’t convinced (and I assumed that **Saint Cad** was messing with us, anyway, given the tone of his post.) I should also correct my post. It should be a Hasselblad 500EL, and “Réseau” plate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-dedicated-forum-for-discussion-of-apollo-moon-landing-hoax/744279.md?page=5)