# What is the best song that begins with a numeral or a symbol? See rules in OP

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**Created:** [November 7, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-best-song-that-begins-with-a-numeral-or-a-symbol-see-rules-in-op/992727 "2023-11-07T01:54:10Z")\
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And one more:

1974 - Amy Grant

(And I think there’s a simillarly-named (numbered?) Smashing Pumpkins song that someone could bring up…)

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(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones  
25 or 6 to 4 - Chicago  
(Just Like) Starting Over - John Lennon  
(You’re My) Soul and Inspiration - The Righteous Brothers  
(Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher and Higher - Jackie Wilson

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2000 Man - Rolling Stones (or KISS)

99 - Toto

11 O’Clock Tick Tock - U2

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100 Days, 100 Nights - Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings

200 More Miles - Cowboy Junkies

2 Times - Ann Lee

'74-'75 - The Connells

40 Cups of Coffee - Ella Mae Moore

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**16 Tons** - Tennessee Ernie Ford.

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> [@SunUp](#):
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> (And I think there’s a simillarly-named (numbered?) Smashing Pumpkins song that someone could bring up…)

**1979** - Smashing Pumpkins.

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43 - Level 42  
88 - Level 42

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I’ve done my five, but I’ll just add (since no one has mentioned it) that if you don’t like either Jay-Z’s or Ice-T’s versions of **99 Problems** , you could always go with [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swnudbCnccs).

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Wow, I’m impressed with the number of entries in this category.

> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> I’m a huge Queen fan, and “'39” is one of my favorite songs. The song’s official title, as listed on the _A Night at the Opera_ album, and [on the band’s YouTube page](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8kGMfXaFU), is just that, with no other characters or words. So, it definitely belongs here in this thread.

I agree with every word and I was planning on posting pretty much this exact reply.

> [@ekedolphin](#):
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> 99 Luftballons is in German; 99 Red Balloons is in English. I’d say they count separately.

Agreed.

> [@Shakester](#):
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> **“Heroes”** by David Bowie. The quotation marks are part of the title, though that’s usually ignored when the song is discussed.

Agree with this too.

> [@pkbites](#):
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> 2000 Man - Rolling Stones (or KISS)

Which one are you nominating? Or both?

mmm

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(I Don’t Want to) Go to Chelsea – Elvis Costello

(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding – Elvis Costello

(You Make Me Feel Like) a Natural Woman – Carole King

2 + 2 = ? – Bob Seger System

6’1 – Liz Phair

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> [@WildaBeast](#):
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> 1812 Overture - Tchaikovsky

The actual title is “The Year 1812, Solemn Overture, Op. 49”, so ineligible for this thread.

But this raises a question. Tchaikovsky is obviously the composer, and I assume he conducted an orchestra, but should we consider him the performer of this work for the purposes of these polls?

I’m sure this will come up again. I don’t know enough about classical music to be comfortable making this decision, so I’d like some input.

Thanks!

mmm

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$1000 Wedding - Gram Parsons

400 Years - Bob Marley and the Wailers

51st State - New Model Army

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[1963](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SofZHE0jBRI) - New Order  
[_10:15 Saturday Night_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NERzLlHo-D0) - The Cure  
[52 Girls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxTBYkI6wmc) - B-52’s  
[90s Music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0yi8D15r7o) - Kimbra  
[500 (Shake, Baby, Shake)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODdZ4QhnXJI) - Lush

@Left_Hand_of_Dorkness - saw in time to drop The Fall for this. Tough call, though…

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Oh, man–I had forgotten about _10:15 Saturday Night_ by The Cure, and was hoping it’d be one of your nominations.

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> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#):
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> But this raises a question. Tchaikovsky is obviously the composer, and I assume he conducted an orchestra, but should we consider him the performer of this work for the purposes of these polls?
> 
> I’m sure this will come up again. I don’t know enough about classical music to be comfortable making this decision, so I’d like some input.

Since these polls focus on recordings rather than compositions, and since the term “song” doesn’t exactly apply to most classical compositions, and since we haven’t included any classical music on any of the other polls, I think the best idea is to exclude classical music from these polls.

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> @Left_Hand_of_Dorkness - saw in time to drop The Fall for this. Tough call, though…

I owe you! (and maybe will repay you by saying 52 girls was already nominated, so you might be able tog get The Fall in as well)

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Got one more:

25 Minutes To Go - Johnny Cash

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Some of the o

> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> I owe you! (and maybe will repay you by saying 52 girls was already nominated, so you might be able tog get The Fall in as well)

Dang, I checked but was clearly too slow. Search isn’t turning it up, who nominated it?  
ETA: NVM, I see, John Di Fool

@Mean_Mr.Mustard - can I get a replacement for 52 girls?  
It wouldn’t be The Fall song I initially was thinking of, it would actually be  
[1999](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951Dm0vS6Wk) - Beabadoobee

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> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#):
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> But this raises a question. Tchaikovsky is obviously the composer, and I assume he conducted an orchestra, but should we consider him the performer of this work for the purposes of these polls?

I’m torn. On the one hand, we only have 150 slots, and from post deadline activity, this population could provide 500 songs in any category, so excluding obvious “not a song” nominations would help.

But we don’t want to exclude instrumentals (who wants the ‘R’ category without Link Wray’s _Rumble_?), On the other hand, I agree that full orchestral compositions don’t fit my gut definition of a song, but I was OK with the nomination of _Für Elise_. Maybe a length limit on “songs”? (maybe 20 minutes? Who would exclude Mountain Jam from the M’s?)

It’s a tough one.

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> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#):
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> Since these polls focus on recordings rather than compositions, and since the term “song” doesn’t exactly apply to most classical compositions, and since we haven’t included any classical music on any of the other polls, I think the best idea is to exclude classical music from these polls.

This is pretty much my feeling. I’ll go with this unless someone offers a compelling reason to do otherwise.

> [@peccavi](#):
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> But we don’t want to exclude instrumentals

Instrumentals will absolutely be allowed. My concern is classical music, where there are typically no “songs”, where the composer is (arguably) not the artist, and where I don’t have enough knowledge of the genre (or the motivation) to make case-by-case decisions.

> [@MrDibble](#):
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> can I get a replacement for 52 girls?  
> It wouldn’t be The Fall song I initially was thinking of, it would actually be  
> [1999](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951Dm0vS6Wk) - Beabadoobee

Done.

mmm

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